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I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business
64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks |
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Lamb Chop wrote:
I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks Bearing in mind that this is only my opinion, and that I haven't tried running anything on a 64-bit system yet... I think you're a prime candidate to stay with the older version of Office for a while. When you're in the middle of writing a thesis, the last thing you need is to spend a couple of months figuring out where everything went in the new user interface. This isn't a matter of speed or great new features, it's a matter of reprogramming your brain and your fingers. After your thesis is complete, you can get Office 2007 and spend all the time you like on it. Word 2007 has a new equation editor (although the old one is still there and still works the same as before). It has the big advantage that the new variety of equation is in some sense "ordinary text" that's just displayed differently, while the old variety is an "object" that has to be interpreted by an external DLL. When you put in hundreds, let alone thousands, of the old-style equations in a single document, Word could become sluggish or unstable. That shouldn't happen with the new variety. If you already have a lot of equations, though, Word doesn't have any way to convert them to the new variety -- they would remain as objects unless you manually retype them. Another consideration: Office 2007 is only a couple of months past general release, a period some people call "gamma test". :-) There will be a period for at least a few more months while people install it in configurations that were never seen in the beta test or in Microsoft's very extensive internal testing, and find more latent bugs. Unless you're adventurous, let others find them and wait for the first Service Pack. Both the old Office and Office 2007 are 32-bit programs. All else being equal, running them in a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit processor won't speed them up. Indeed, it could make them slower, because every instruction has to be converted from 32 bits to 64 bits and every result has to be converted back to 32 bits (a process called "thunking"). On a new PC, particularly if it's a high-speed dual-core processor, you probably wouldn't notice that penalty. But there's no big advantage in 64-bit operation for Office, only for programs that are compiled for 64 bit use. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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With little software around to take advantage of either 64-bit or
dual/quad-core processing, I'd recommend staying with your Office 2000 under 32-bit Vista for a while. Maybe in a couple of years time it will look totally different, but unless you have some application that needs (and supports) 64-bit and needs powerful processing on a multi-thread platform, I think it is a little too early to take that route. It isn't just needing the apps that support multi-thread and 64-bit, but you may find some hardware drivers difficult to find. Wait for more 64-bit support and DirectX 10 to come along. -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "Lamb Chop" wrote in message ... I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks |
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My own experience and view entirely. I have found Office 2000, with all
service packs, to be entirely stable and reliable. Posts here suggest that all subsequent versions of Word (anyway) are not. I personally would not risk any later version of Word. And, for the record I wouldn't trust Vista either. "Lamb Chop" wrote in message ... I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks |
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Absolutely agree. One more thing to add. There are many instances where a
service pack is later found to be *itself* a disaster so I wouldn't even rely on that until a good few years have gone by! Maybe to the Omega test stage! "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Lamb Chop wrote: I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks Bearing in mind that this is only my opinion, and that I haven't tried running anything on a 64-bit system yet... I think you're a prime candidate to stay with the older version of Office for a while. When you're in the middle of writing a thesis, the last thing you need is to spend a couple of months figuring out where everything went in the new user interface. This isn't a matter of speed or great new features, it's a matter of reprogramming your brain and your fingers. After your thesis is complete, you can get Office 2007 and spend all the time you like on it. Word 2007 has a new equation editor (although the old one is still there and still works the same as before). It has the big advantage that the new variety of equation is in some sense "ordinary text" that's just displayed differently, while the old variety is an "object" that has to be interpreted by an external DLL. When you put in hundreds, let alone thousands, of the old-style equations in a single document, Word could become sluggish or unstable. That shouldn't happen with the new variety. If you already have a lot of equations, though, Word doesn't have any way to convert them to the new variety -- they would remain as objects unless you manually retype them. Another consideration: Office 2007 is only a couple of months past general release, a period some people call "gamma test". :-) There will be a period for at least a few more months while people install it in configurations that were never seen in the beta test or in Microsoft's very extensive internal testing, and find more latent bugs. Unless you're adventurous, let others find them and wait for the first Service Pack. Both the old Office and Office 2007 are 32-bit programs. All else being equal, running them in a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit processor won't speed them up. Indeed, it could make them slower, because every instruction has to be converted from 32 bits to 64 bits and every result has to be converted back to 32 bits (a process called "thunking"). On a new PC, particularly if it's a high-speed dual-core processor, you probably wouldn't notice that penalty. But there's no big advantage in 64-bit operation for Office, only for programs that are compiled for 64 bit use. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Hi Aalaan,
I think "many instances" exaggerates a bit. Between Windows and Office updates, I can only recall one or two over the last 5 years that caused problems on the scale of "disaster". In the end, it always depends on a balance of risk and reward, and on your personal risk tolerance. If an upgrade or a service pack offers enough fixes, the risk for most people is small enough to make it worth at least trying. If one is extremely risk-averse -- which sounds like it might be your category -- then there's no reward that's worth any risk, and they'll have to pry your obsolete software out of your cold dead hand. :-) Fortunately, Microsoft has also gotten much better in recent versions about making it possible to uninstall service packs and other updates. If it makes something on your system stop working, you can remove it. I don't remember well, but I think that's another thing you can't do with Office 2000. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Aalaan wrote: Absolutely agree. One more thing to add. There are many instances where a service pack is later found to be *itself* a disaster so I wouldn't even rely on that until a good few years have gone by! Maybe to the Omega test stage! "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Lamb Chop wrote: I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks Bearing in mind that this is only my opinion, and that I haven't tried running anything on a 64-bit system yet... I think you're a prime candidate to stay with the older version of Office for a while. When you're in the middle of writing a thesis, the last thing you need is to spend a couple of months figuring out where everything went in the new user interface. This isn't a matter of speed or great new features, it's a matter of reprogramming your brain and your fingers. After your thesis is complete, you can get Office 2007 and spend all the time you like on it. Word 2007 has a new equation editor (although the old one is still there and still works the same as before). It has the big advantage that the new variety of equation is in some sense "ordinary text" that's just displayed differently, while the old variety is an "object" that has to be interpreted by an external DLL. When you put in hundreds, let alone thousands, of the old-style equations in a single document, Word could become sluggish or unstable. That shouldn't happen with the new variety. If you already have a lot of equations, though, Word doesn't have any way to convert them to the new variety -- they would remain as objects unless you manually retype them. Another consideration: Office 2007 is only a couple of months past general release, a period some people call "gamma test". :-) There will be a period for at least a few more months while people install it in configurations that were never seen in the beta test or in Microsoft's very extensive internal testing, and find more latent bugs. Unless you're adventurous, let others find them and wait for the first Service Pack. Both the old Office and Office 2007 are 32-bit programs. All else being equal, running them in a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit processor won't speed them up. Indeed, it could make them slower, because every instruction has to be converted from 32 bits to 64 bits and every result has to be converted back to 32 bits (a process called "thunking"). On a new PC, particularly if it's a high-speed dual-core processor, you probably wouldn't notice that penalty. But there's no big advantage in 64-bit operation for Office, only for programs that are compiled for 64 bit use. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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Hi Jay
If I'm just at the end of editing an 82,000 word manuscript and have 15 minutes 'til the deadline, stopping to unravel some service pack problem is a disaster. I must have absolute reliability from a product. The trouble with software is that we all sometimes get involved in it for its own sake and we are all happy to experiment and chat about it. Me too at the mo because I haven't got that sort of deadline on right now. But when I do (which is often) I need a product that'll just work 100% of the time and not trip me up. So there are two planes to this. I may well have the time to investigate new software when not under pressure. But on the user plane I certainly do not. "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Hi Aalaan, I think "many instances" exaggerates a bit. Between Windows and Office updates, I can only recall one or two over the last 5 years that caused problems on the scale of "disaster". In the end, it always depends on a balance of risk and reward, and on your personal risk tolerance. If an upgrade or a service pack offers enough fixes, the risk for most people is small enough to make it worth at least trying. If one is extremely risk-averse -- which sounds like it might be your category -- then there's no reward that's worth any risk, and they'll have to pry your obsolete software out of your cold dead hand. :-) Fortunately, Microsoft has also gotten much better in recent versions about making it possible to uninstall service packs and other updates. If it makes something on your system stop working, you can remove it. I don't remember well, but I think that's another thing you can't do with Office 2000. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Aalaan wrote: Absolutely agree. One more thing to add. There are many instances where a service pack is later found to be *itself* a disaster so I wouldn't even rely on that until a good few years have gone by! Maybe to the Omega test stage! "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Lamb Chop wrote: I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks Bearing in mind that this is only my opinion, and that I haven't tried running anything on a 64-bit system yet... I think you're a prime candidate to stay with the older version of Office for a while. When you're in the middle of writing a thesis, the last thing you need is to spend a couple of months figuring out where everything went in the new user interface. This isn't a matter of speed or great new features, it's a matter of reprogramming your brain and your fingers. After your thesis is complete, you can get Office 2007 and spend all the time you like on it. Word 2007 has a new equation editor (although the old one is still there and still works the same as before). It has the big advantage that the new variety of equation is in some sense "ordinary text" that's just displayed differently, while the old variety is an "object" that has to be interpreted by an external DLL. When you put in hundreds, let alone thousands, of the old-style equations in a single document, Word could become sluggish or unstable. That shouldn't happen with the new variety. If you already have a lot of equations, though, Word doesn't have any way to convert them to the new variety -- they would remain as objects unless you manually retype them. Another consideration: Office 2007 is only a couple of months past general release, a period some people call "gamma test". :-) There will be a period for at least a few more months while people install it in configurations that were never seen in the beta test or in Microsoft's very extensive internal testing, and find more latent bugs. Unless you're adventurous, let others find them and wait for the first Service Pack. Both the old Office and Office 2007 are 32-bit programs. All else being equal, running them in a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit processor won't speed them up. Indeed, it could make them slower, because every instruction has to be converted from 32 bits to 64 bits and every result has to be converted back to 32 bits (a process called "thunking"). On a new PC, particularly if it's a high-speed dual-core processor, you probably wouldn't notice that penalty. But there's no big advantage in 64-bit operation for Office, only for programs that are compiled for 64 bit use. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. |
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I never used 2000, but I have found 2003 about as stable as anyone could ask
for. About the only thing that will crash it is mucking about with a doc imported from WordPerfect. g -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Aalaan" wrote in message ... My own experience and view entirely. I have found Office 2000, with all service packs, to be entirely stable and reliable. Posts here suggest that all subsequent versions of Word (anyway) are not. I personally would not risk any later version of Word. And, for the record I wouldn't trust Vista either. "Lamb Chop" wrote in message ... I am going to buy a laptop next month. I would like to get vista business 64bit. I am thinking whether I should use my old office2k or buy the latest office07. I use word mainly for editing my thesis which has a lot of equations and figures. The documents are usually fair large with a lot of graphics and thousands equations. excel for basic calculation and sometime drawing some graphs but I mainly use sigma plot, a scientific grapher. Access for keeping up the basic data base. Powerpoint, only occasionally. Once in every half year. ======== Any comments on comparing office2k and 07 would be appreciate. Will office07 run better in a 64bit environment? Thanks |
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