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how do i enable the old menu bar
I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who
choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Worth saying twice, eh?
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JC in Houston" wrote in message ... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
yep, yep.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Worth saying twice, eh? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JC in Houston" wrote in message ... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like
you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP "Folstaff" wrote: Kevin, Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Hi J.P.,
Actually, no it isn't a simple thing to combine the two of them to the point where it was reliable on a large scale deployable basis in the time frame allowed for delivering the product. Things can get somewhat more complex within each of the Office apps as they are not coded to a common base, but to different feature sets and methods. =================== "JP" wrote in message ... Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
We use and beta test RibbonCustomizer by Patrick Schmidt MVP. It offers a
free STARTER version and also offers FREE ClassicUI tabs for Word Excel and PowerPoint as first and last tab on Ribbon menu. It is the best interface of all three ClassicUI tabs I have tested. I use Professional version but if you are after only ClassicUI tabs for Ribbon they are available from Trial download and are yours permanently to use. Read Patrick's site for further details on how to download and ClassicUI tabs Word Excel PowerPoint. http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribbon...er/starter.php Janine www.docsliveonline.com "JP" wrote in message ... Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP "Folstaff" wrote: Kevin, Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
If they could provide the same functionality in the classic menus/toolbars
as they do with the Ribbon then there wouldn't have been a need to create the Ribbon in the first place. :-) The old UI was designed for the 80s, back when there was around only 1/4 of the commands in the application, plus the Ribbon offers more than a list of menus and such to choose from. While there are add-ins available that provide the old UI, if you use an add-in instead of the Ribbon you lose out on the new functionality - they only provide the commands that were in the previous versions - and other than the advantages of the new file type you're not gaining much by upgrading in the first place. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "JP" wrote in message ... Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
I whole-heartedly agree with the common sentiment amongst experienced Office
users that the new ribbon menus result in a quantum leap backward in productivity. I have found that it takes 2 to 4 times as long to perform common tasks in Excel when using the ribbon menus, largely due to Microsoft's new preoccupation with forcing users to complete a series of single commands. As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. It is now mind-numbing. I couldn't afford the loss of productivity when in Excel 2007, and have reverted back to Excel 2000. I am considering doing the same for the other Office products, retaining Office 2007 solely to access files from clients who were equally foolish enough to upgrade. Frankly, I'm appalled by the tenor of the comments made by Microsoft's representatives, in which users' distinct dissatisfaction with the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of the ribbon menus is brushed off as impatience on our part, and the fact that the classic menus were not offered as an option in Office 2007. It appears that Microsoft has lost touch with the vast majority of its users (and proponents), and has decided to "fix" something that didn't need fixing: the menus. It's time for an upgrade, in which the classic menus become available. In the meantime, I'm warding off all my friends and colleagues from upgrading until Microsoft presents something worth buying (developers' opinions notwithstanding). |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to
change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
FWIW, it should be noted that there are no "representatives of Microsoft" in
this NG. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... I whole-heartedly agree with the common sentiment amongst experienced Office users that the new ribbon menus result in a quantum leap backward in productivity. I have found that it takes 2 to 4 times as long to perform common tasks in Excel when using the ribbon menus, largely due to Microsoft's new preoccupation with forcing users to complete a series of single commands. As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. It is now mind-numbing. I couldn't afford the loss of productivity when in Excel 2007, and have reverted back to Excel 2000. I am considering doing the same for the other Office products, retaining Office 2007 solely to access files from clients who were equally foolish enough to upgrade. Frankly, I'm appalled by the tenor of the comments made by Microsoft's representatives, in which users' distinct dissatisfaction with the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of the ribbon menus is brushed off as impatience on our part, and the fact that the classic menus were not offered as an option in Office 2007. It appears that Microsoft has lost touch with the vast majority of its users (and proponents), and has decided to "fix" something that didn't need fixing: the menus. It's time for an upgrade, in which the classic menus become available. In the meantime, I'm warding off all my friends and colleagues from upgrading until Microsoft presents something worth buying (developers' opinions notwithstanding). |
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