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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
Side note:
Since your son sees the same thing on his Mac in Word X, one wonders whether there may not be a set-up problem, as well as a Word 2007 bug. Different Approach: Since you have access to a Mac, and your printers accept PDFs, then the booklet creating programs for OS X might be of use to you. Basically, you print a regular Word document to PDF, and then the booklet program takes the PDF, shrinks the pages, reshuffles the pages as necessary, etc, dividing a single complex process into two simpler steps. I think CheapImpostor even automatically does signatures for longer books. For more information and links to the possible programs, see he http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html It's not recently updated, but it will put you on the right path if this method sounds less troublesome than what you are currently doing. I believe Word 2007 now prints to PDF? (although you might have to download something from MS. Then send just the PDF to your son's Mac and never launch MacWord at all) With mass-market PDF creation, perhaps there are/will be similar programs on the Windows side--even though WinWord has BookFold and MacWord doesn't, I get the impression that BookFold is not entirely reliable, so developers may see a gap in the market. There may already be an Acrobat extension out there to reshuffle PDF pages, perhaps. PS. I'm having a very hard time wrapping my head around how you are going to publish a book where the master copy was printed 2 pages per sheet. All I can picture is some big paper cutters and some laborious reshuffling, and that seems unrealistic. I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac. I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how well I remember it ! In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 ) Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about http:// ) |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers, they
request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the imposition in-house. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Mason C" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:53:44 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Jay has confirmed the bug (something I cannot do since I don't have Word 2007 installed); as I said, it has been reported previously. FWIW, if you're preparing a *booklet," see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...etPrinting.htm. The technique for Word 97 will, I suspect still work in Word 2007 (albeit admittedly more work). If you're preparing a *book* (for self-publishing), then the printer will almost certainly want each page on a separate sheet (even if they're half-sheet sized). If you're preparing a *manuscript* (to be sent to a publisher), then layout is not your responsibility. I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac. I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how well I remember it ! In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 ) Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about http:// ) |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:40:48 -0800, Daiya Mitchell
wrote: Side note: Since your son sees the same thing on his Mac in Word X, one wonders whether there may not be a set-up problem, as well as a Word 2007 bug. Different Approach: Since you have access to a Mac, and your printers accept PDFs, then the booklet creating programs for OS X might be of use to you. Basically, you print a regular Word document to PDF, and then the booklet program takes the PDF, shrinks the pages, reshuffles the pages as necessary, etc, dividing a single complex process into two simpler steps. I think CheapImpostor even automatically does signatures for longer books. For more information and links to the possible programs, see he http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html It's not recently updated, but it will put you on the right path if this method sounds less troublesome than what you are currently doing. I believe Word 2007 now prints to PDF? (although you might have to download something from MS. Then send just the PDF to your son's Mac and never launch MacWord at all) With mass-market PDF creation, perhaps there are/will be similar programs on the Windows side--even though WinWord has BookFold and MacWord doesn't, I get the impression that BookFold is not entirely reliable, so developers may see a gap in the market. There may already be an Acrobat extension out there to reshuffle PDF pages, perhaps. PS. I'm having a very hard time wrapping my head around how you are going to publish a book where the master copy was printed 2 pages per sheet. All I can picture is some big paper cutters and some laborious reshuffling, and that seems unrealistic. I infer a good suggestion: another book, booklet really. I should publish an expensive booklet on how to create a book ( publishing is another matter.) I don't have time to do that now. Watch for it here early next summer -- or on my web site. Thanks for the comments and help. Mason C signing off. I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac. I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how well I remember it ! In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 ) Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about http:// ) |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:46:53 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote: I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers, they request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the imposition in-house. Well, we'll get there eventually.... I'm just trying to get out the door here. I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing and the growing book is very motivating. The one-page-per-sheet can easily be achieved, I'm sure. Word 2007 can do anything, even crash. Book example, recently pdf'd: http://masonc.home.netcom.com/quimby/quimby.pdf I've taken this book out of print but it sells (Ebay, Amazon etc.) for a good price. (The original was done camera-ready pre-computer.) Yes, yes, I know, it's not a 2 page per sheet original. Bye bye. Now, Suzzane, get up to date: buy Word 2007 and have fun :-) Mason C |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
Hi Mason,
MS Office products have a 45 day return policy in the U.S. it varies in other areas: http://microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.asp =========== "Mason C" wrote in message ... Thank you very much. It is a relief to me to know that I'm not nuts or stupid. Now I have a $150+tax thing that is useless to me. Can I return it? Mason C -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
I had actually already downloaded the Quimby book, noticing that it was one
page per sheet. Very similar to what I send to the printer, except that (a) I center the pages and (b) I include crop marks. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Mason C" wrote in message news On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:46:53 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers, they request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the imposition in-house. Well, we'll get there eventually.... I'm just trying to get out the door here. I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing and the growing book is very motivating. The one-page-per-sheet can easily be achieved, I'm sure. Word 2007 can do anything, even crash. Book example, recently pdf'd: http://masonc.home.netcom.com/quimby/quimby.pdf I've taken this book out of print but it sells (Ebay, Amazon etc.) for a good price. (The original was done camera-ready pre-computer.) Yes, yes, I know, it's not a 2 page per sheet original. Bye bye. Now, Suzzane, get up to date: buy Word 2007 and have fun :-) Mason C |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
Mason C wrote:
I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing and the growing book is very motivating. You might find this account of someone similarly making a book by hand interesting: http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html By the way--your original problem is described in great detail he http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/a...2/03/2675.aspx |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:32:46 -0800, Daiya Mitchell
wrote: Mason C wrote: I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing and the growing book is very motivating. You might find this account of someone similarly making a book by hand interesting: http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html By the way--your original problem is described in great detail he http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/a...2/03/2675.aspx Good links. Thanks "CheapImpositor." No thanks, Microsoft. Thanks, Daiya, for the links. And thanks, Suzanne, for the thought about having separate pages, not two on a sheet. I'll go to single pages and also maybe avoid the MS bug. Oddly though, I notice that Morris Publishing (a printer) includes a side-by-side template ---- wonder how they impose. They give greatly detailed instructions: http://morrispublishing.com Mason C |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
I have to agree with Mason that this short course in bookbinding is worth
the read. And Cheap Impostor sounds like worthwhile software, too. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Mason C wrote: I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing and the growing book is very motivating. You might find this account of someone similarly making a book by hand interesting: http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html By the way--your original problem is described in great detail he http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/a...2/03/2675.aspx |
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Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:47:42 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote: I have to agree with Mason that this short course in bookbinding is worth the read. And Cheap Impostor sounds like worthwhile software, too. Yeah. Except. It's .gz -- looks like unix. I got it and decompressed it but the result has no extension and does nothing on my pc. Maybe someone knows more. Mason C |
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