OE 6 vs. Norton

Been running fine with Norton 2003 (Internet security and system works).

Now I've finally updated to NSW 2006 and NIS 2006.

Not sure which it was, but I think it was the NIS install that seems to have
really hammered my OE. OE is now VERY slow to load the folders (yeah,
they're kinda large, but they were large before), deleting individual
messages takes several seconds, as does moving from one folder to the next.

I've done the things Norton suggests, such as a program search in NIS for
internet-connected programs, running Norton's Speed disk. The stuff that's
in startup needs to be there, and was there before.

Any ideas, other than removing perhaps the Norton Anti-Spam (as that's where
I think the problem is, but then what to use for anti-spam? MS Defender
does not allow for any anti-spam configurations).

Thanks.


--
Bill

Short answer, get rid of Norton and don't replace it with McAfee. Both
programs are not suitable with Outlook Express.

I use, and recommend, AVG Free:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5
or:
http://www.grisoft.com/doc/40/lng/ww

When prompted, choose Custom Installation and *uncheck* e-mail scanning when
you see the option.

Norton, and McAfee, products are not Outlook Express friendly, and I don't
know of any OE-MVP that would recommend using them.

To remove Norton completely:

Commonly used Symantec tools:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05103109480139

Using the Norton Removal Tool:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05033108162039

Removing NAV 2003 and earlier using Rnav2003.exe.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...01092114452606

Symantec NIS, NAV and NSW 2004, 2005, 2006 removal
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

Symantec NIS, Norton Antispam, and NPF 2004, 2005, 2006 removal
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem1.htm

And if necessary:
http://www.ccleaner.com/


General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bill H." wrote in message
...
Been running fine with Norton 2003 (Internet security and system works).

Now I've finally updated to NSW 2006 and NIS 2006.

Not sure which it was, but I think it was the NIS install that seems to
have
really hammered my OE. OE is now VERY slow to load the folders (yeah,
they're kinda large, but they were large before), deleting individual
messages takes several seconds, as does moving from one folder to the
next.

I've done the things Norton suggests, such as a program search in NIS for
internet-connected programs, running Norton's Speed disk. The stuff
that's
in startup needs to be there, and was there before.

Any ideas, other than removing perhaps the Norton Anti-Spam (as that's
where
I think the problem is, but then what to use for anti-spam? MS Defender
does not allow for any anti-spam configurations).

Thanks.


--
Bill

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:40:20 -0700, Bill H. wrote:

Been running fine with Norton 2003 (Internet security and system works).

Now I've finally updated to NSW 2006 and NIS 2006.

The last, best Norton product was released in the late '90s, or whenever
it was that Symantec bought Norton products. The last Norton product I
installed on my computer was Norton SystemWorks 2003. I booted the
"Norton System Doctor" after finding it screwing over the system. I
booted the "Norton Anti Virus" when Norton started nagging me to upgrade
to "Norton Anti Virus 2004". I won't let anybody I know install Norton
anything. I recommend Grisoft AVG Free for now. I am eventually going to
load Avast anti virus for evaluation.

http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

The license agreement for both is limited to household use. Non-profit
and profit organizations need to check with the respective sites to get
products with a proper license agreement.

I concur with Bruce Hagen: Get rid of Norton. Don't even think about
McAfee (tried them 6 years ago; bad as Norton).

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Well, I do agree about McAfee!

As for Norton, I've had pretty good luck at least until they started with
"activation."

I was running NIS 2003 and figured it was time to upgrade. Think I was
wrong. :-( And my antispam finally bit the dust (GIANT company that MS
bought out and promised to keep updateable), but that time has apparently
lapsed, so I took it off.

That left me without a configurable antispam program.

And of course my win2k is pretty old in that the Pentium processor is "only"
600mHz. I probably wouldn't notice the hit on a much faster machine.

--Bill

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you....no one would give me this info on
how to be sure NSW was off of my computer!!!


"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Short answer, get rid of Norton and don't replace it with McAfee. Both
programs are not suitable with Outlook Express.

I use, and recommend, AVG Free:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5
or:
http://www.grisoft.com/doc/40/lng/ww

When prompted, choose Custom Installation and *uncheck* e-mail scanning
when
you see the option.

Norton, and McAfee, products are not Outlook Express friendly, and I
don't
know of any OE-MVP that would recommend using them.

To remove Norton completely:

Commonly used Symantec tools:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05103109480139

Using the Norton Removal Tool:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05033108162039

Removing NAV 2003 and earlier using Rnav2003.exe.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...01092114452606

Symantec NIS, NAV and NSW 2004, 2005, 2006 removal
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

Symantec NIS, Norton Antispam, and NPF 2004, 2005, 2006 removal
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem1.htm

And if necessary:
http://www.ccleaner.com/


General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bill H." wrote in message
...
Been running fine with Norton 2003 (Internet security and system
works).

Now I've finally updated to NSW 2006 and NIS 2006.

Not sure which it was, but I think it was the NIS install that seems
to
have
really hammered my OE. OE is now VERY slow to load the folders (yeah,
they're kinda large, but they were large before), deleting individual
messages takes several seconds, as does moving from one folder to the
next.

I've done the things Norton suggests, such as a program search in NIS
for
internet-connected programs, running Norton's Speed disk. The stuff
that's
in startup needs to be there, and was there before.

Any ideas, other than removing perhaps the Norton Anti-Spam (as that's
where
I think the problem is, but then what to use for anti-spam? MS
Defender
does not allow for any anti-spam configurations).

Thanks.


--
Bill

Bill H. wrote:
Well, I do agree about McAfee!

As for Norton, I've had pretty good luck at least until they started with
"activation."

I was running NIS 2003 and figured it was time to upgrade. Think I was
wrong. :-( And my antispam finally bit the dust (GIANT company that MS
bought out and promised to keep updateable), but that time has apparently
lapsed, so I took it off.

That left me without a configurable antispam program.

Try Thunderbird that has a built-in anti-spam program:

http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird

Alias

And of course my win2k is pretty old in that the Pentium processor is "only"
600mHz. I probably wouldn't notice the hit on a much faster machine.

--Bill

"Bruce Hagen" je napisal v sporocilo
...
Short answer, get rid of Norton and don't replace it with McAfee. Both
programs are not suitable with Outlook Express.

I use, and recommend, AVG Free:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5
or:
http://www.grisoft.com/doc/40/lng/ww

When prompted, choose Custom Installation and *uncheck* e-mail scanning
when you see the option.

Norton, and McAfee, products are not Outlook Express friendly, and I don't
know of any OE-MVP that would recommend using them.

To remove Norton completely:

Commonly used Symantec tools:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05103109480139

Using the Norton Removal Tool:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05033108162039

Removing NAV 2003 and earlier using Rnav2003.exe.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...01092114452606

Symantec NIS, NAV and NSW 2004, 2005, 2006 removal
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

Symantec NIS, Norton Antispam, and NPF 2004, 2005, 2006 removal
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem1.htm

And if necessary:
http://www.ccleaner.com/


General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program
will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bill H." wrote in message
...
Been running fine with Norton 2003 (Internet security and system works).

Now I've finally updated to NSW 2006 and NIS 2006.

Not sure which it was, but I think it was the NIS install that seems to
have
really hammered my OE. OE is now VERY slow to load the folders (yeah,
they're kinda large, but they were large before), deleting individual
messages takes several seconds, as does moving from one folder to the
next.

I've done the things Norton suggests, such as a program search in NIS for
internet-connected programs, running Norton's Speed disk. The stuff
that's
in startup needs to be there, and was there before.

Any ideas, other than removing perhaps the Norton Anti-Spam (as that's
where
I think the problem is, but then what to use for anti-spam? MS Defender
does not allow for any anti-spam configurations).

Thanks.


--
Bill