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The paint used for decorating eggs washes off.. the same can't be said of
printer refill ink.. "Mike Koewler" wrote in message ... For the record: I don't care about color fidelity. If I was using the printer to create color proofs, I wouldn't be using this printer! This is an el-cheapo printer used to print el-cheapo outputs. If refilling the tanks isn't any messier than coloring Easter eggs, I can live with the mess. :-) Mike Mike Hall wrote: One of the prime reasons for buying an HP is that one gets a new printhead at each cartridge, thereby retaining print quality.. it also has to be said that HP technology has ensured that their printers are economical in use.. if a printer is so heavy on ink that refills are considered, I would trash the printer and buy an HP.. The refill people maintain that their ink is exactly the same, but experience has shown me that the depth of color is lacking, and it dries way too slow when used at any speed and especially fast draft on an HP.. that and the fact that printing ink is next to impossible to remove from clothes, hands etc.. JoAnn, they will all learn in time.. "JoAnn Paules" wrote in message ... Exactly! I know the printer wasn't top of the line but that refill kit coincided with the death of the printer. Not sure if it *caused* it but we decided it just isn't worth saving pennies if it's going to cost you the price of another printer. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Ed Bennett" wrote in message ... While waiting for decisions from his 6 university choices, Ed sees a message from JoAnn Paules . On it is written: Been there- tried that. YUCK!! Messy and the quality really sucked. Everything turned to shades of grey. And that was in the first printer we owned - a Canon. Never again will we (1) buy refill kits or (2) buy a Canon. HPs do rock! I'll reiterate that - it's exactly the experience I had with mine. Either refills killed the printer or the printer died from being crap - but either way I'm not doing Canons or refills for a while (not planning on buying a new printer for a while anyway, so it's entirely hypothetical) -- Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/ Before reading this message, view the disclaimer: http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm |
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Don't sell that i860 short. Using a decent photo paper, you can create lab
quality photos. -- Ron Cohen "Mike Koewler" wrote in message ... For the record: I don't care about color fidelity. If I was using the printer to create color proofs, I wouldn't be using this printer! This is an el-cheapo printer used to print el-cheapo outputs. If refilling the tanks isn't any messier than coloring Easter eggs, I can live with the mess. :-) Mike Mike Hall wrote: One of the prime reasons for buying an HP is that one gets a new printhead at each cartridge, thereby retaining print quality.. it also has to be said that HP technology has ensured that their printers are economical in use.. if a printer is so heavy on ink that refills are considered, I would trash the printer and buy an HP.. The refill people maintain that their ink is exactly the same, but experience has shown me that the depth of color is lacking, and it dries way too slow when used at any speed and especially fast draft on an HP.. that and the fact that printing ink is next to impossible to remove from clothes, hands etc.. JoAnn, they will all learn in time.. "JoAnn Paules" wrote in message ... Exactly! I know the printer wasn't top of the line but that refill kit coincided with the death of the printer. Not sure if it *caused* it but we decided it just isn't worth saving pennies if it's going to cost you the price of another printer. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Ed Bennett" wrote in message ... While waiting for decisions from his 6 university choices, Ed sees a message from JoAnn Paules . On it is written: Been there- tried that. YUCK!! Messy and the quality really sucked. Everything turned to shades of grey. And that was in the first printer we owned - a Canon. Never again will we (1) buy refill kits or (2) buy a Canon. HPs do rock! I'll reiterate that - it's exactly the experience I had with mine. Either refills killed the printer or the printer died from being crap - but either way I'm not doing Canons or refills for a while (not planning on buying a new printer for a while anyway, so it's entirely hypothetical) -- Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher http://www.mvps.org/the_nerd/ Before reading this message, view the disclaimer: http://mvps.org/the_nerd/disclaim.htm --- AVG reports Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 |
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I have been trying out the continuous ink system from
http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7 months for my R200 and C86. It works really cool, much "more" than what I expected. I bought a system - it can works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told me. Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to make money from me "again". Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only last 3-6 months, and you have get back to them and buy the whole system again. Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to the way the original cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly drains to the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head. The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control the ink flow, so it doesn't just drip out once the ink outlet of the cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head carriage movement. In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the system uses standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink. The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the surface of this sponge or batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in the system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink flow. Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design. The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the flow so they don't leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the ink outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage. Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed. Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as mentioned above, and Epson's more complex design has potential problems for a continuous ink system as well. That's where InkRepublic.com's ink dampers come in. They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a problem with siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous ink system. The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were jury-rigged, and although they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these installation users, either when they first get installed (and the difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge system comes out of the closet. With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc. One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is because continuous ink systems tend to use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks on the other. But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK, their system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means: 1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new chipsets, that's it. This is big saving. 2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout. 3. No clogging, no leaking. 4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system. InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At least they are more customized and customers oriented. Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins, I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from http://www.InkRepublic.com Here are more reference for you: http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp http://www.digitalanime.com.br/epson |
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Sam,
I wanted advice, not a marketing spiel. Ron and Sarah have done a great job of giving useful information, without trying to "sell" anything, which is what usenet is supposed to be about. Sarah, since I'm thinking about it, my address is: Valley Courier 218 W. Benson St. Reading, OH 45215 USA Yeah, I know - posting an address in a public forum, but at least it's a business address! Mike Sam wrote: I have been trying out the continuous ink system from http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7 months for my R200 and C86. It works really cool, much "more" than what I expected. I bought a system - it can works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told me. Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to make money from me "again". Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only last 3-6 months, and you have get back to them and buy the whole system again. Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to the way the original cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly drains to the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head. The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control the ink flow, so it doesn't just drip out once the ink outlet of the cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head carriage movement. In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the system uses standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink. The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the surface of this sponge or batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in the system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink flow. Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design. The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the flow so they don't leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the ink outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage. Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed. Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as mentioned above, and Epson's more complex design has potential problems for a continuous ink system as well. That's where InkRepublic.com's ink dampers come in. They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a problem with siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous ink system. The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were jury-rigged, and although they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these installation users, either when they first get installed (and the difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge system comes out of the closet. With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc. One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is because continuous ink systems tend to use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks on the other. But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK, their system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means: 1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new chipsets, that's it. This is big saving. 2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout. 3. No clogging, no leaking. 4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system. InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At least they are more customized and customers oriented. Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins, I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from http://www.InkRepublic.com Here are more reference for you: http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp http://www.digitalanime.com.br/epson |
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