"deleted Items" folder size?

Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

Are you sure its a folder and not a file.
Delete the Deleted Items.dbx file, the next time the Identity is used it will recreate the file.
..winston

"Gary Walker" wrote in message t...
: Environment:
:
: XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
: OE v6.00.2900.2180
:
: I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
: a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.
:
: Considering:
:
: 1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
: 2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
: always completely emptied.
: 3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
: ions/compressions.
:
: I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
: er would have participated in the normal compression
: process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
: curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.
:
: I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
: have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
: not think this of any importance.
:
:
: Thanks,
:
:
: Gary
:
:

Compact your folders.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

"...winston" wrote in message
...
Are you sure its a folder and not a file.
Delete the Deleted Items.dbx file, the next time the Identity is used it
will recreate the file.
..winston

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
: Environment:
:
: XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
: OE v6.00.2900.2180
:
: I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
: a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.
:
: Considering:
:
: 1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
: 2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
: always completely emptied.
: 3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
: ions/compressions.
:
: I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
: er would have participated in the normal compression
: process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
: curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.
:
: I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
: have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
: not think this of any importance.
:
:
: Thanks,
:
:
: Gary
:
:


Well, it's "deleted items.dbx", which is a file when simply
viewed from a directory expansion. But, when viewed
from the owning application(OE), it's a folder.

Thanks,

Gary

Thanks Bruce, that worked great. The folder dropped
from 13+ MB to 59KB. Additionally, I've learned
valuable information.

Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Compact your folders.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until the compacting is completed.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

You're welcome. Do it often.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

This is a great two click program:

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
...

Thanks Bruce, that worked great. The folder dropped
from 13+ MB to 59KB. Additionally, I've learned
valuable information.

Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Compact your folders.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until the compacting is completed.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear); working offline
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

Gary Walker wrote:
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

You gave me the missing link....

I have many identities, and many many folder archives.
However, this was established more for convenience
than for operational protection, and before I knew it
was absolutely necessary.

But, the missing link was my misconception that my
frequent folder deletion/compaction done through the
maintenance panel, was also including mail folders.

Thanks again for the update.

Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
You're welcome. Do it often.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program
will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

This is a great two click program:

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
...

Thanks Bruce, that worked great. The folder dropped
from 13+ MB to 59KB. Additionally, I've learned
valuable information.

Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Compact your folders.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until the compacting is completed.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

Yes. That is only for newsgroups.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...

You gave me the missing link....

I have many identities, and many many folder archives.
However, this was established more for convenience
than for operational protection, and before I knew it
was absolutely necessary.

But, the missing link was my misconception that my
frequent folder deletion/compaction done through the
maintenance panel, was also including mail folders.

Thanks again for the update.

Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
You're welcome. Do it often.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user
created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such as time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V
program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

This is a great two click program:

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
...

Thanks Bruce, that worked great. The folder dropped
from 13+ MB to 59KB. Additionally, I've learned
valuable information.

Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Compact your folders.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in
the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


Thanks,


Gary

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...
Environment:

XP pro(aka MCE) - (5.1, build 2600)
OE v6.00.2900.2180

I have recently noticed that one of my identities contains
a 13.515MB "deleted items" .dbx folder.

Considering:

1). This identity's deleted item count is currently zero.
2). This identity's deleted item folder is quite active, but
always completely emptied.
3). I routinely(several times a day) perform folder delet-
ions/compressions.

I guess I would have thought that the deleted items fold-
er would have participated in the normal compression
process. This report is absolutely no problem, I'm just
curious why an empty folder needs 13+ MB.

I will also add that all store folders for all my identities
have been relocated to an alternate drive. But, I would
not think this of any importance.


When you delete an item from an OE folder, the DBX file is not reduced in
size until the folder is compacted.

If you are worried about losing something when compacting, the version of OE
saves a copy of each file in the Recycled Bin before compacting, changing
the extension from DBX to BAK.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.