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Old July 30th, 2004, 04:55 PM
John Taylor
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Having just installed Visio 2003, I'm very dissapointed to find that --yet again-- a new version of Visio has resulted in a LOSS of features used by a database modeller. In particular, the Data Flow Model template has been reduced to a simple stencil with a few basic shapes. Gone are the Model Explorer, Error checking, and Sub-Processes (drill down to detail page).

Microsoft, what is going on??? I'm paying my software assurance fee(s), and getting less value with each new version. What am I now to do with my extensive library of DFD diagrams in Visio format, which no longer work properly in the 2003 version?

If your intent is to eliminate these data modelling features, then PLEASE give us a statement of direction to that effect!! Then I can stop investing my valuable time and energy creating models in a tool which will not support those features in future versions.


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Old July 30th, 2004, 08:21 PM
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But it WAS in the Pro Edition.. I just renewed my software assurance 3 weeks ago, and now the product is all but useless to me. Forcing me to now purchase an additional upgrade to the (much) more expensive VS.NET product reeks of bait & switch tactics.


"Al Edlund" wrote:

It's in the Enterprise Architect edition that you get with VS.NET, not in
the pro edition
al


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Old July 30th, 2004, 08:21 PM
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But it WAS in the Pro Edition.. I just renewed my software assurance 3 weeks ago, and now the product is all but useless to me. Forcing me to now purchase an additional upgrade to the (much) more expensive VS.NET product reeks of bait & switch tactics.


"Al Edlund" wrote:

It's in the Enterprise Architect edition that you get with VS.NET, not in
the pro edition
al


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Old July 30th, 2004, 08:21 PM
John Taylor
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Default Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?


But it WAS in the Pro Edition.. I just renewed my software assurance 3 weeks ago, and now the product is all but useless to me. Forcing me to now purchase an additional upgrade to the (much) more expensive VS.NET product reeks of bait & switch tactics.


"Al Edlund" wrote:

It's in the Enterprise Architect edition that you get with VS.NET, not in
the pro edition
al


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Old July 30th, 2004, 08:33 PM
John Taylor
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But it _WAS_ in the Pro edition, until V2003.

It's one thing to add new features exclusively to the Enterprise edition, but it's another thing entirely to rip out existing features from the Pro edition with the sole intent of forcing a (very) expensive purchase of the VS.NET product.


"Al Edlund" wrote:

It's in the Enterprise Architect edition that you get with VS.NET, not in
the pro edition
al


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Old July 31st, 2004, 04:24 AM
Mark Nelson [MS]
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Default Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?

Al is correct that Visual Studio 2003 EA has this functionality, but that is
because that product includes the Visio 2002 version of Visio. As you
noted, the functionality was removed from Visio 2003. Future versions of
Visual Studio (2005) are not likely to have the functionality since they
will contain the Visio 2003 version.

I'm sorry to provide bad news, and I recognize that Microsoft has not
provided enough of a product road map for database modelers. Hopefully we
will do a better job before the next release of Visio.

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Mark Nelson
Microsoft Corporation

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"John Taylor" wrote in message
...

But it _WAS_ in the Pro edition, until V2003.

It's one thing to add new features exclusively to the Enterprise edition,

but it's another thing entirely to rip out existing features from the Pro
edition with the sole intent of forcing a (very) expensive purchase of the
VS.NET product.


"Al Edlund" wrote:

It's in the Enterprise Architect edition that you get with VS.NET, not

in
the pro edition
al




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Old July 31st, 2004, 04:24 AM
Mark Nelson [MS]
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Default Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?

Al is correct that Visual Studio 2003 EA has this functionality, but that is
because that product includes the Visio 2002 version of Visio. As you
noted, the functionality was removed from Visio 2003. Future versions of
Visual Studio (2005) are not likely to have the functionality since they
will contain the Visio 2003 version.

I'm sorry to provide bad news, and I recognize that Microsoft has not
provided enough of a product road map for database modelers. Hopefully we
will do a better job before the next release of Visio.

--
Mark Nelson
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"John Taylor" wrote in message
...

But it _WAS_ in the Pro edition, until V2003.

It's one thing to add new features exclusively to the Enterprise edition,

but it's another thing entirely to rip out existing features from the Pro
edition with the sole intent of forcing a (very) expensive purchase of the
VS.NET product.


"Al Edlund" wrote:

It's in the Enterprise Architect edition that you get with VS.NET, not

in
the pro edition
al




 




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