AOL and CS problems

I use OE and my email address for 10 years has been with ATT.NET. I connect
to the internet via a local wireless provided.

I am getting LOTS of bounces with the following Subject line: Returned
Mail: delivery problems encountered.

Here is a sample from
------------------------------------------------------------------
The following addresses had delivery problems:


Permanent Failu Other address status
Delivery last attempted at Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:15:46 -0000
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried to email the Postmaster at AOL and also CS and they also got
rejected. I called AT&T and they said their service was operating normally
and I called the local outfit and they have not returned my call yet.

Can you imagine what else this could be?

TIA,

Tom

AOL, which also runs cs.com and netscape.com, sometimes arbitrarily
rejects mail from an entire domain. This may have happened to att.net.
If that's the case, staff at att.net will have to resolved the problem
with AOL. AOL probably isn't interested in hearing from you.


Tom Brown wrote:
I use OE and my email address for 10 years has been with ATT.NET. I connect
to the internet via a local wireless provided.

I am getting LOTS of bounces with the following Subject line: Returned
Mail: delivery problems encountered.

Here is a sample from
------------------------------------------------------------------
The following addresses had delivery problems:


Permanent Failu Other address status
Delivery last attempted at Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:15:46 -0000
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried to email the Postmaster at AOL and also CS and they also got
rejected. I called AT&T and they said their service was operating normally
and I called the local outfit and they have not returned my call yet.

Can you imagine what else this could be?

TIA,

Tom




--
Gary L. Smith
Columbus, Ohio

Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and it
works great.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that they
would do that.

Tom



"Gary Smith" wrote in message
...
AOL, which also runs cs.com and netscape.com, sometimes arbitrarily
rejects mail from an entire domain. This may have happened to att.net.
If that's the case, staff at att.net will have to resolved the problem
with AOL. AOL probably isn't interested in hearing from you.


Tom Brown wrote:
I use OE and my email address for 10 years has been with ATT.NET. I
connect
to the internet via a local wireless provided.

I am getting LOTS of bounces with the following Subject line: Returned
Mail: delivery problems encountered.

Here is a sample from
------------------------------------------------------------------
The following addresses had delivery problems:


Permanent Failu Other address status
Delivery last attempted at Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:15:46 -0000
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried to email the Postmaster at AOL and also CS and they also got
rejected. I called AT&T and they said their service was operating
normally
and I called the local outfit and they have not returned my call yet.

Can you imagine what else this could be?

TIA,

Tom




--
Gary L. Smith
Columbus, Ohio

Are these bounces coming from messages that you sent?

If the domain from which you're sending doesn't provide something called
Reverse DNS Lookup, AOL, etc., may refuse the message, Tom.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Security, Shell/User)

Tom Brown wrote:
Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from
www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it
solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and it
works great.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really
don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that they
would do that.

"Gary Smith" wrote in message
...
AOL, which also runs cs.com and netscape.com, sometimes arbitrarily
rejects mail from an entire domain. This may have happened to att.net.
If that's the case, staff at att.net will have to resolved the problem
with AOL. AOL probably isn't interested in hearing from you.


Tom Brown wrote:
I use OE and my email address for 10 years has been with ATT.NET. I
connect to the internet via a local wireless provided.

I am getting LOTS of bounces with the following Subject line: Returned
Mail: delivery problems encountered.

Here is a sample from
------------------------------------------------------------------
The following addresses had delivery problems:


Permanent Failu Other address status
Delivery last attempted at Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:15:46 -0000
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried to email the Postmaster at AOL and also CS and they also got
rejected. I called AT&T and they said their service was operating
normally
and I called the local outfit and they have not returned my call yet.

Yes, these were messages that I sent and they were to people I email all the
time. All of a sudden, they started bouncing. I don't know if they have
Reverse DSN Lookup or not. I just know that both AOL and CS started
bouncing. I called ATT T/S and the guy in India didn't have a clue.

Thanks,

Tom




"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Are these bounces coming from messages that you sent?

If the domain from which you're sending doesn't provide something called
Reverse DNS Lookup, AOL, etc., may refuse the message, Tom.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Security, Shell/User)

Tom Brown wrote:
Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from
www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it
solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and it
works great.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really
don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that they
would do that.

"Gary Smith" wrote in message
...
AOL, which also runs cs.com and netscape.com, sometimes arbitrarily
rejects mail from an entire domain. This may have happened to att.net.
If that's the case, staff at att.net will have to resolved the problem
with AOL. AOL probably isn't interested in hearing from you.


Tom Brown wrote:
I use OE and my email address for 10 years has been with ATT.NET. I
connect to the internet via a local wireless provided.

I am getting LOTS of bounces with the following Subject line: Returned
Mail: delivery problems encountered.

Here is a sample from
------------------------------------------------------------------
The following addresses had delivery problems:


Permanent Failu Other address status
Delivery last attempted at Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:15:46 -0000
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried to email the Postmaster at AOL and also CS and they also got
rejected. I called AT&T and they said their service was operating
normally
and I called the local outfit and they have not returned my call yet.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:11:27 -0400, PA Bear wrote:

Are these bounces coming from messages that you sent?

If the domain from which you're sending doesn't provide something called
Reverse DNS Lookup, AOL, etc., may refuse the message, Tom.

If he is using either 'mailhost.att.net', or
'mailhost.worldnet.att.net', they both have rDNS configured. It could be
a different issue.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:48:15 -0600, Tom Brown wrote:

Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and it
works great.

Until AOL blocks the Fastmail servers.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that they
would do that.

Actually, AOL would more likely block the IP address of the AT&T
Worldnet servers. They have blocked Comcast, Yahoo!, and AT&T SMTP
servers from time to time. Based on AOL complaints that "this is spam"
from those servers. Some of it may be due backscatter from auto
responders (including AV email scanners which send (un)helpful messages
to the Return-Path (mostly forged) email address in the viral message),
bounces (also to the putative sender), and the like.

Comcast has done it to Hotmail, and Verizon has done it to most of
Europe. It is part of the cost of allowing spam to flow across the
Internet.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Norman,

This is unbelievable to me!

So, someone with a Comcast, Yahoo or AT&T email sends out some spam so AOL
decides to block millions of users from the same servers! UFB!

I have never liked AOL and this makes me REALLY dislike them. Maybe I will
institute my own filter and just take everyone off my list who is with AOL.
That would make about as much sense as AOL's policies.

Tom




"N. Miller" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:48:15 -0600, Tom Brown wrote:

Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from
www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it
solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and it
works great.

Until AOL blocks the Fastmail servers.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really
don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that they
would do that.

Actually, AOL would more likely block the IP address of the AT&T
Worldnet servers. They have blocked Comcast, Yahoo!, and AT&T SMTP
servers from time to time. Based on AOL complaints that "this is spam"
from those servers. Some of it may be due backscatter from auto
responders (including AV email scanners which send (un)helpful messages
to the Return-Path (mostly forged) email address in the viral message),
bounces (also to the putative sender), and the like.

Comcast has done it to Hotmail, and Verizon has done it to most of
Europe. It is part of the cost of allowing spam to flow across the
Internet.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:38:48 -0600, Tom Brown wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:48:15 -0600, Tom Brown wrote:

Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from
www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it
solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and it
works great.

Until AOL blocks the Fastmail servers.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really
don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that they
would do that.

Actually, AOL would more likely block the IP address of the AT&T
Worldnet servers. They have blocked Comcast, Yahoo!, and AT&T SMTP
servers from time to time. Based on AOL complaints that "this is spam"
from those servers. Some of it may be due backscatter from auto
responders (including AV email scanners which send (un)helpful messages
to the Return-Path (mostly forged) email address in the viral message),
bounces (also to the putative sender), and the like.

Comcast has done it to Hotmail, and Verizon has done it to most of
Europe. It is part of the cost of allowing spam to flow across the
Internet.

Norman,

This is unbelievable to me!

So, someone with a Comcast, Yahoo or AT&T email sends out some spam so AOL
decides to block millions of users from the same servers! UFB!

Or somebody just sets up a vacation, or "out of office" autoresponder,
without due care to limit the responses to only contacts in his Address
Book. Sending autoresponses to spam is called, "Backscatter", and it is
abuse in its own right.

I have never liked AOL and this makes me REALLY dislike them. Maybe I will
institute my own filter and just take everyone off my list who is with AOL.
That would make about as much sense as AOL's policies.

Could be useful. I have this filter in my Mercury/32 rules:

|If expression headers matches "Received: from*[([]20[01].[0-9]+.[0-9]+.[0-9]+*" Goto "LACNIC"

It is really quite effective: It automatically deletes email with any IP
address from 200.0.0.1 to 210.255.255.254 in the headers. I don't know
anybody in Latin America, and nobody there has an reason to contact me.
A lot of spam comes from Latin American residential zombies. So I just
trash any email which claims to be from that region. I have similar
rules in force for India, China, and Korea.

Each mail server operator has to decide for himself what to allow, and
what to deny. For a long time, Comcast was denying any contact from MSN
Hotmail, and Verizon was denying contact from any European server, so
you should hate Comcast and Verizon no less than you hate AOL.

If you _must_ hate, then you should hate the spammers which have created
this email mess.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Norman,

As a matter of fact, I do hate the spammers and I think people who write
viruses should be .... let me try to be delicate here ..... SHOT! g

I guess I should mention that I spent half my time in South Korea and many
of my emails come from there. Maybe you have not seen them.

Ironically, just yesterday I signed up for Comcast cable at the place I am
moving to but will still keep the AT&T email address. I assume Comcast
will not be doing any filtering on my email.

Tom


"N. Miller" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:38:48 -0600, Tom Brown wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:48:15 -0600, Tom Brown wrote:

Well, I solved it myself by purchasing a SMTP account from
www.Fastmail.fm.
It cost $15 for a one-time fee to get use of their SMTP server and it
solved
my problems with AT&T. It is also noticably faster! All I had to do
was
change the SMTP server in the OE account and change the Port to 26 and
it
works great.

Until AOL blocks the Fastmail servers.

But, about AOL and CS arbitrarily rejecting an entire domain, do you
thnk
they have decided to reject ALL Worldnet.att.net addresses? I really
don't
care any more since I got the new SMTP server but it's amazing that
they
would do that.

Actually, AOL would more likely block the IP address of the AT&T
Worldnet servers. They have blocked Comcast, Yahoo!, and AT&T SMTP
servers from time to time. Based on AOL complaints that "this is spam"
from those servers. Some of it may be due backscatter from auto
responders (including AV email scanners which send (un)helpful messages
to the Return-Path (mostly forged) email address in the viral message),
bounces (also to the putative sender), and the like.

Comcast has done it to Hotmail, and Verizon has done it to most of
Europe. It is part of the cost of allowing spam to flow across the
Internet.

Norman,

This is unbelievable to me!

So, someone with a Comcast, Yahoo or AT&T email sends out some spam so
AOL
decides to block millions of users from the same servers! UFB!

Or somebody just sets up a vacation, or "out of office" autoresponder,
without due care to limit the responses to only contacts in his Address
Book. Sending autoresponses to spam is called, "Backscatter", and it is
abuse in its own right.

I have never liked AOL and this makes me REALLY dislike them. Maybe I
will
institute my own filter and just take everyone off my list who is with
AOL.
That would make about as much sense as AOL's policies.

Could be useful. I have this filter in my Mercury/32 rules:

|If expression headers matches "Received:
from*[([]20[01].[0-9]+.[0-9]+.[0-9]+*" Goto "LACNIC"

It is really quite effective: It automatically deletes email with any IP
address from 200.0.0.1 to 210.255.255.254 in the headers. I don't know
anybody in Latin America, and nobody there has an reason to contact me.
A lot of spam comes from Latin American residential zombies. So I just
trash any email which claims to be from that region. I have similar
rules in force for India, China, and Korea.

Each mail server operator has to decide for himself what to allow, and
what to deny. For a long time, Comcast was denying any contact from MSN
Hotmail, and Verizon was denying contact from any European server, so
you should hate Comcast and Verizon no less than you hate AOL.

If you _must_ hate, then you should hate the spammers which have created
this email mess.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum