Permanent loop security warning importing Contacts from PST file

Adam Radcliffe wrote:

OK, I read through the slipstick article, and a bunch of the related
ones.
I tried the ClickYes app, which installed and ran fine, but Outlook
now "Stops working" (in Vista terminology).

Express ClickYes is a subversion of Outlook's object model guard and if your
PC is ever compromised to that it becomes a mailbot, you'll never know it.
You're better off trying this tool: http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/security/

I've given up trying to repair the original problem, and decided to
start again with a clean install. However it is currently proving
more difficult than I would have expected to uninstall and reinstall
Outlook... It uninstalls fine, removes all the files, then
reinstalls OK but it has clearly retained the settings from the
previous installation (I can see emails in the inbox, and I'm
prompted for account login info. Then the original Outlook security
warning message appears again ("A program is trying to access email
addresses... ")

Uninstalling and reinstalling Outlook does not affect the mail profile,
which exists in the Windows Registry and not touched by the reinstallation.
Try creating a new mail profile using the Mail applet in the Control Panel.
You'll have to enable the 32 bit Control Panel option to see it, though.
--
Brian Tillman

Not having all that much experience with importing PST files (and especially
not under Vista/O'2002) - hard to guess what the problem is as to why the
security wrapper is generating all those messages. The times we have
imported PST's to simulate a customer issue (customer using a contact folder
that was previously imported), generally ended up with nothing but
aggravation. Am sure there is a time when importing from a PST is the
"correct method of choice" - just haven't run across it yet (my guess is
that it may have had some legitimate use when Outlook was originally
released way back when but is now one of those "features" that has outlived
it's usefullness).

If this was one of our boxes and things weren't working correctly - would
start fresh on your Vista box - a) uninstall Office, b) re-install, and c)
copy your PST file over making it the new default mailbox - just to see if
things improved rather then try and figure out why things are happening in
the event that "compound" issues are at play.

Also, you may also find this page of interest from Diane Poremsky's "Outlook
Tips" website:
http://www.outlook-tips.net/howto/vista.htm

Karl
__________________________________________________ _
Karl Timmermans - The Claxton Group
ContactGenie - Importer 1.3 / DataPorter 2.0 / Exporter
"Power contact importers/exporters for MS Outlook '2000/2007"
http://www.contactgenie.com



"Adam Radcliffe" wrote in message
...
Hi Karl, thanks for your advice too. Couple of specific responses to your
comments below...
Cheers
AR

"Karl Timmermans" wrote:

Outlook version aside (Vista & O'2002 and whether or not there are any
different operational issues), the security message you're getting
generally
has an option to "allow" for "x" number of minutes which would alleviate
some if not all of the issue.
I have tried all of the options presented by the warning - Yes, No and
Allow
for 1-10 mins. Whenever I click any available option on the warning box,
a
new warning box appears instantly to replace it. I had thought maybe it
was
just giving me a warning for every contact in my address book, and
therefore
perhaps I just needed to permit for each contact (I don't have THAT many,
maybe 100-150) but having tried clicking about 500 times I gave up and
figured that wasn't the answer

That aside, if you're importing from your original PST file, skip the
"import process" altogether and simply open the old PST file on Vista and
make it your "default" mailbox. No need to do anything else. There are
times
when importing/exporting is the correct approach - this just isn't one of
those times since it is totally unnecessary.

Right, that's great to know, thanks for that. If I can get Outlook to
work
AT ALL in the future, I'll certainly do that. Wish I'd known before, but
hey
- hindsight is always 20-20...

Thanks very much for helping...
AR

Karl

__________________________________________________ _
Karl Timmermans - The Claxton Group
ContactGenie - Importer 1.3 / DataPorter 2.0 / Exporter
"Power contact importers/exporters for MS Outlook '2000/2007"
http://www.contactgenie.com

A simple reinstall will not clean these files up. Close Outlook first, then:

a.. Search your hard drive for *.ost and delete all found (Be sure to
search in hidden files)
b.. Search your hard drive for Outcmd.dat and delete it. (This file holds
your customized toolbar settings)
c.. Search your hard drive for Views.dat and delete it. (This file holds
your customized system folder views settings)
d.. Search your hard drive for extend.dat and delete it. (this file holds
your Installed add-ins information)
e.. 2003: Outlook.xml (This file includes Shortcuts, Calendar, and
Contact links.)
a.. The navigation pane settings are profile-specific and are stored in
an .xml file with the profile name, in the Application Data\Outlook folder.
To clear all navigation pane customizations, start Outlook once with the
/resetnavpane switch.
Try opening Outlook again using the switch :

a.. /CleanViews Restores default views. All custom views you created are
lost.
b.. /ResetOutlookBar Rebuilds the Outlook Bar.
Some of the folders might be hidden folders. To view them I do the following
on my XP machine, I am not well versed on Vista.

Windows XP

1.. Click Start, and then click My Computer.
2.. On the Tools menu, click Folder Options, click the View tab, and then
click the Show hidden files and folder option.
Nikki

"Adam Radcliffe" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Nikki, for your blessedly polite and helpful response.

OK, I read through the slipstick article, and a bunch of the related ones.
I tried the ClickYes app, which installed and ran fine, but Outlook now
"Stops working" (in Vista terminology).

I've given up trying to repair the original problem, and decided to start
again with a clean install. However it is currently proving more
difficult
than I would have expected to uninstall and reinstall Outlook... It
uninstalls fine, removes all the files, then reinstalls OK but it has
clearly
retained the settings from the previous installation (I can see emails in
the
inbox, and I'm prompted for account login info. Then the original Outlook
security warning message appears again ("A program is trying to access
email
addresses... ")

I'm currently searching for advice on completely removing outlook 2002, so
I'll look in the KB and relevant forums. If you have any advice, I'd
really
appreciate it, but no urgency.
Thanks again for your help.
AR

"Nikki Peterson [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Please take a look at the following link for a possible solution:
http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/esecup.htm#autosec
The "object model guard" feature of the patch imposes two extreme
restrictions on automating Outlook from add-ins that use either the
Outlook object model or Simple MAPI:

a.. If an add-in tries to send an Outlook message, the user gets a
notification pop-up and must explicitly authorize or deny each
attempt to send. The user must wait 5 seconds before the
Yes button becomes available to click.

b.. If an add-in tries to access address information in an Outlook
item or the address book or to save an Outlook item as a file,
the user gets a notification pop-up and can deny access,
authorize a one-time access or extend access for a period of
several minutes. PDA sync utilities are an example of the kind
of application that will be affected by this restriction.
I used to suggest the "Express Click Yes" which can be found on the
page that the link above takes you to. I am a little rusty on this issue
but I believe the above link will offer you a solution.

Nikki

Good point. I would be curious to know the answers also.

Nikki

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote in message
...
The precise steps that trigger the security prompt were needed. Also, what
you meant by "importing my old primary mailbox." "Mailbox" refers to
Exchange and implies you are running against Exchange server. Are you?
We have posted many reasons not to import Outlook data, but I've never
seen it trigger the security prompt before so this may be a new problem
caused by running an older version of Outlook on an OS on which it is not
supported. Normally you just open a PST file.
What happens if you create a new Outlook profile, repair this PST file,
then open it in the new profile?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Adam Radcliffe" wrote in
message ...
*sigh*

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
The other alternative of course would be to post accurate and relevant
details that would allow someone to help from the distance of a
newsgroup.

Details provided are accurate. To imply otherwise is to imlpy that I am
lying. Are you implying that I am lying? Why would you make such an
accusation against someone who is merely asking for assistance? Are you
really THAT arrogant?
In what way are the details I provided irrelevant? Maybe you, in your
infinite clarity and wisdom, would like to advise what additional
information
you need to provide some advice. (then look up "Sarcasm" on
dictionary.com)

Not sure why you were expecting help unless you were expecting us to be
mind
readers.

I wasn't expecting you to be mind readers. I wasn't expecting you to be
completely obnoxious, arrogant ******* either, though, so I suppose
anything's possible.

Post your problem more clearly. Include accurate steps to repro the
problem.

What don't you understand? Actually, don't answer that.

Recognize that the Outlook version you are using is no longer supported
and does not work reliably on Vista.

From what I can tell from the Microsoft site, Outlook is actually
supported
as far as "Security related issues". From my (customer's) perspective,
that's exactly what this is - an issue created by a security patch,
applied
automatically by Microsoft.
And sure, I could upgrade. Except I see no reason to from a
functionality
perspective, and am prevented from doing so cost-effectively by the fact
that
MSoft no longer offer an upgrade to Outlook only, just Office Standard
(of
which I use nothing except Outlook).
And seeing as this problem does not appear to be related to the OS, why
highlight the fact that MS is incapable of writing backward-compatible
software? Or rather that their profit margins are based on a
forced-upgrade
policy, from the code up?

No one here is a programmer. Nor would you have needed to read "every
post"
to discover that importing is never the correct way to transfer Outlook
data. There are countless posts here that tell you how to migrate
Outlook
data correctly. You only needed to read one.

Yes, but of course, as anyone with an ounce of sense would realise, I
only
started reading these posts AFTER THE PROBLEM HAD OCCURRED. Why would I
come
and start reading through discussion boards to look for issues that
hadn't
even occurred yet? Why would I know ahead of the fact that a built-in
application function would cause the entire system to become unusable?
(Except of course that I *should* have known better... after all, I've
used
MS apps before!)
My programmer reference was because most of the posts/KBarticles etc I
did
read before posting my question related to the SP3 patch causing problems
for
people writing programatic interfaces to Outlook, and corresponding
developer
workarounds.

Kindly don't reply to my question any more, Russ, you clearly have
nothing
constructive to say.

AR

--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Adam Radcliffe" wrote in
message
...
I see my preemptive thanks were misdirected.

Russ, my deepest, abject, humblest apologies. I confess - I didn't
read
every post in the discussion board about importing outlook data. I'm
a
reasonably competent user, but I'm no expert programmer, so I read the
help
file, searched the MS KB, and when I found no information there, I
looked
for
"Help from the Experts" as MS put it. I searched the relevant group,
but
could find no reference to the problem I was experiencing. I didn't
note
any
advice that said "don't import" along the way. So I posted my
specific
problem, hoping for a specific answer. Sorry it was so "lacking in
detail"
that I shouldn't have "expected you to help me".

Your answer is extremely unhelpful, but it must have given you you a
warm
glow of superiority. I can't think of any other reason you would have
made
such a pointless post. Thanks for nothing, I'll sort it out myself
without
any "Help from the Experts"...

AR

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

I don't understand why you would ever use import to transfer Outlook
data
when we have posted so clearly and so frequently that importing is
never
the
correct way to transfer Outlook data. Did you think your results
would be
different? If so, why? How do you expect us to help you? Your post is
far
to
deficient on the details we would need to do so. You mention PST
files
and
mailboxes in the same sentence. They do not belong in the same
sentence.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

The problem is resolved; Many thanks to all for their suggestions and advice.
For those that are interested, some further details on my steps to
resolution are below.

The key issue was that the warning message, having originally come up during
the import of the contacts (from a PST file) was appearing again every time I
opened Outlook. After some basic steps to counter the warning, I gave up and
tried to uninstall and reinstall Outlook. This proved a lot harder than it
looked; as Brian & Nikki pointed out, the Uninstall didn't remove the mail
profile, so after every uninstall & reinstall, Outlook would restart with all
the same settings and most importantly, with the perpetual warning message
reoccurring. So even removing the application and starting again, didnt get
round the problem!
I tried the Express ClickYes app, and with it running starting outlook
didn't cause the warning message to appear BUT Outlook did immediately crash.
However, the detail provided under the Vista "Stopped Working" message did
advise that the module involved was OutlookAddinSetup, which after some
investigation turned out to be a Creative add-in installed as part of the
original Dell OS image. I uninstalled the OutlookAddin from Control Panel,
and Outlook started fine with ClickYes running. Since then, I've disabled
and uninstalled ClickYes and Outlook still starts up fine. I think, as I
always thought, that I just needed to get pst the warning for it to sort
itself out.

Russ, my reference to Mailbox was probably misterminology due to the label
on the folder list, which by default is [Mailbox - username]. What I was
originally trying to import was my old default outlook.pst file. Sorry if
the inexpert terminology caused confusion.

Nikki, thanks for your advice, it looks like I worked around it in the end
without having to hunt down and delete all the files...

And Karl, thanks for the link, useful information.

Cheers all
AR

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Do you happen to remember
what was the name of the addin was? If not, no worries. Glad you are back
to good working order.

Nikki

"Adam Radcliffe" wrote in message
news
The problem is resolved; Many thanks to all for their suggestions and
advice.
For those that are interested, some further details on my steps to
resolution are below.

The key issue was that the warning message, having originally come up
during
the import of the contacts (from a PST file) was appearing again every
time I
opened Outlook. After some basic steps to counter the warning, I gave up
and
tried to uninstall and reinstall Outlook. This proved a lot harder than
it
looked; as Brian & Nikki pointed out, the Uninstall didn't remove the mail
profile, so after every uninstall & reinstall, Outlook would restart with
all
the same settings and most importantly, with the perpetual warning message
reoccurring. So even removing the application and starting again, didnt
get
round the problem!
I tried the Express ClickYes app, and with it running starting outlook
didn't cause the warning message to appear BUT Outlook did immediately
crash.
However, the detail provided under the Vista "Stopped Working" message did
advise that the module involved was OutlookAddinSetup, which after some
investigation turned out to be a Creative add-in installed as part of the
original Dell OS image. I uninstalled the OutlookAddin from Control
Panel,
and Outlook started fine with ClickYes running. Since then, I've disabled
and uninstalled ClickYes and Outlook still starts up fine. I think, as I
always thought, that I just needed to get pst the warning for it to sort
itself out.

Russ, my reference to Mailbox was probably misterminology due to the label
on the folder list, which by default is [Mailbox - username]. What I was
originally trying to import was my old default outlook.pst file. Sorry if
the inexpert terminology caused confusion.

Nikki, thanks for your advice, it looks like I worked around it in the end
without having to hunt down and delete all the files...

And Karl, thanks for the link, useful information.

Cheers all
AR

Nikki Peterson [MVP - Outlook] wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Do you happen to
remember what was the name of the addin was? If not, no worries. Glad
you are back to good working order.

Nikki, here's what he said:

However, the detail provided under the Vista "Stopped Working"
message did advise that the module involved was OutlookAddinSetup,

That is the name of the app. This particluar app is part of "Dell
MediaDirect", I believe.
--
Brian Tillman

Duh! Thanks Brian.

I've seen you mention this little addin on several occasions.
I'll have to tuck this away in my list of Outlook irritants.

Nikki

"Brian Tillman" wrote in message
...
Nikki Peterson [MVP - Outlook] wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Do you happen to
remember what was the name of the addin was? If not, no worries. Glad
you are back to good working order.

Nikki, here's what he said:

However, the detail provided under the Vista "Stopped Working"
message did advise that the module involved was OutlookAddinSetup,

That is the name of the app. This particluar app is part of "Dell
MediaDirect", I believe.
--
Brian Tillman

Dear Adam

I have finally managed to resolve the same excruciating problem - after
syncing with my PDA, also using outlook 2002 with vista on a new laptop-
thanks to you.

I have been trolling through these threads for almost a week and I was
getting desperate. I had managed to install and reinstall successfully, again
to no avail.

I haven't spent much time on these threads before and I am quite startled
how unpleasant people can be, I'm not a complete novice and I just followed
sequential instructions from microsoft and also failed to get the appropriate
help in the all the guides etc when it went pear shaped- I also didn't see
any warnings.

Thank you so much for your post

Sisterm
"Adam Radcliffe" wrote:

The problem is resolved; Many thanks to all for their suggestions and advice.
For those that are interested, some further details on my steps to
resolution are below.

The key issue was that the warning message, having originally come up during
the import of the contacts (from a PST file) was appearing again every time I
opened Outlook. After some basic steps to counter the warning, I gave up and
tried to uninstall and reinstall Outlook. This proved a lot harder than it
looked; as Brian & Nikki pointed out, the Uninstall didn't remove the mail
profile, so after every uninstall & reinstall, Outlook would restart with all
the same settings and most importantly, with the perpetual warning message
reoccurring. So even removing the application and starting again, didnt get
round the problem!
I tried the Express ClickYes app, and with it running starting outlook
didn't cause the warning message to appear BUT Outlook did immediately crash.
However, the detail provided under the Vista "Stopped Working" message did
advise that the module involved was OutlookAddinSetup, which after some
investigation turned out to be a Creative add-in installed as part of the
original Dell OS image. I uninstalled the OutlookAddin from Control Panel,
and Outlook started fine with ClickYes running. Since then, I've disabled
and uninstalled ClickYes and Outlook still starts up fine. I think, as I
always thought, that I just needed to get pst the warning for it to sort
itself out.

Russ, my reference to Mailbox was probably misterminology due to the label
on the folder list, which by default is [Mailbox - username]. What I was
originally trying to import was my old default outlook.pst file. Sorry if
the inexpert terminology caused confusion.

Nikki, thanks for your advice, it looks like I worked around it in the end
without having to hunt down and delete all the files...

And Karl, thanks for the link, useful information.

Cheers all
AR

Adam Radcliffe is a jerk...he should be reported for responding to inquiries..

I had the same trouble and spent 2 days trying to figure it out and was even
on the phone with tech support and they could not figure it out...i deleted
the "outlookaddins" and it worked...thanks Adam for your follow up...pure
genious.

Does anyone think there will be any reprecussions to this?

I too am a novice and would never be able to write or think as an expert.

" wrote:

Dear Adam

I have finally managed to resolve the same excruciating problem - after
syncing with my PDA, also using outlook 2002 with vista on a new laptop-
thanks to you.

I have been trolling through these threads for almost a week and I was
getting desperate. I had managed to install and reinstall successfully, again
to no avail.

I haven't spent much time on these threads before and I am quite startled
how unpleasant people can be, I'm not a complete novice and I just followed
sequential instructions from microsoft and also failed to get the appropriate
help in the all the guides etc when it went pear shaped- I also didn't see
any warnings.

Thank you so much for your post

Sisterm
"Adam Radcliffe" wrote:

The problem is resolved; Many thanks to all for their suggestions and advice.
For those that are interested, some further details on my steps to
resolution are below.

The key issue was that the warning message, having originally come up during
the import of the contacts (from a PST file) was appearing again every time I
opened Outlook. After some basic steps to counter the warning, I gave up and
tried to uninstall and reinstall Outlook. This proved a lot harder than it
looked; as Brian & Nikki pointed out, the Uninstall didn't remove the mail
profile, so after every uninstall & reinstall, Outlook would restart with all
the same settings and most importantly, with the perpetual warning message
reoccurring. So even removing the application and starting again, didnt get
round the problem!
I tried the Express ClickYes app, and with it running starting outlook
didn't cause the warning message to appear BUT Outlook did immediately crash.
However, the detail provided under the Vista "Stopped Working" message did
advise that the module involved was OutlookAddinSetup, which after some
investigation turned out to be a Creative add-in installed as part of the
original Dell OS image. I uninstalled the OutlookAddin from Control Panel,
and Outlook started fine with ClickYes running. Since then, I've disabled
and uninstalled ClickYes and Outlook still starts up fine. I think, as I
always thought, that I just needed to get pst the warning for it to sort
itself out.

Russ, my reference to Mailbox was probably misterminology due to the label
on the folder list, which by default is [Mailbox - username]. What I was
originally trying to import was my old default outlook.pst file. Sorry if
the inexpert terminology caused confusion.

Nikki, thanks for your advice, it looks like I worked around it in the end
without having to hunt down and delete all the files...

And Karl, thanks for the link, useful information.

Cheers all
AR