W2K's dad-burn'd *&%! ellipsis

Hi, All,

Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably
small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?

I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a
true ellipsis, but then it's too big.

"ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is
info on tab stops!

Many thanks,

Travis

Hi Travis

as soon as word changes the ... do ctrl & z (shortcut key combo for undo) to
undo the change - also you could choose tools / autocorrect (options) - find
the ... entry and delete it

Cheers
JulieD

"Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message
...
Hi, All,

Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and
miserably small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?

I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will
preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big.

"ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on
selecting it is info on tab stops!

Many thanks,

Travis

If you type three dots, Word changes it into an ellipis because in Tools |
AutoCorrect, there is an entry for that under "replace text as you type".
You can simply delete the entry, and Word will leave it as three periods,
but then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will
break at lines.

You can make your own ellipsis as you like it, and use that as the
AutoCorrect entry for 3 dots instead, and set an Exception for
capitalization.

I am not sure how you would get your ideal non-breaking ellipsis.

--
Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word
Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/
MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/
What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


On 1/6/05 9:03 AM, "Travis" wrote:

Hi, All,

Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably
small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?

I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will
preserve a
true ellipsis, but then it's too big.

"ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting
it is
info on tab stops!

Many thanks,

Travis

To follow on...

to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space
(Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It is too
wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the
character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it looks
more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as you
want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace the
AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it.

--
Terry Farrell - Word MVP
http://word.mvps.org/

"Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message
...
: Hi, All,
:
: Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
: without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and
miserably
: small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?
:
: I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
: phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will
preserve a
: true ellipsis, but then it's too big.
:
: "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on
selecting it is
: info on tab stops!
:
: Many thanks,
:
: Travis
:
:

Daiya,

I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the
rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three
periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most of my stuff
goes out as text in inclusions). Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from
breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost
surely do so.

Many thanks!

Travis







"Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message
.. .
If you type three dots, Word changes it into an ellipis because in Tools |
AutoCorrect, there is an entry for that under "replace text as you type".
You can simply delete the entry, and Word will leave it as three periods,
but then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will
break at lines.

You can make your own ellipsis as you like it, and use that as the
AutoCorrect entry for 3 dots instead, and set an Exception for
capitalization.

I am not sure how you would get your ideal non-breaking ellipsis.

--
Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word
Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/
MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/
What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


On 1/6/05 9:03 AM, "Travis" wrote:

Hi, All,

Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably
small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?

I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will
preserve a
true ellipsis, but then it's too big.

"ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting
it is
info on tab stops!

Many thanks,

Travis

Terry,

Thanks for the suggestion. As per above reply, I was able to "re-instruct"
auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the
rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three
periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most of my stuff
goes out as text in inclusions).

I wonder if Word would make up a new, un-text-exportable character from the curve
ball thrown by your custom design, or do you think text export would accept the odd
spacing? I may yet have to try it.

Many thanks!

Travis


"TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message
...
To follow on...

to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space
(Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It is too
wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the
character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it looks
more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as you
want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace the
AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it.

--
Terry Farrell - Word MVP
http://word.mvps.org/

"Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message
...
: Hi, All,
:
: Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
: without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and
miserably
: small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?
:
: I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
: phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will
preserve a
: true ellipsis, but then it's too big.
:
: "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on
selecting it is
: info on tab stops!
:
: Many thanks,
:
: Travis
:
:

Julie,

Dang. I should have tried your idea first, but got into Autocorrect stuff below and
deleted the un-text-exportable Word ellipsis character before I tried a simple undo.
Since I don't really want it back ... I'm commited to having written a new rule.

But your idea has a nice "Occam's Razor," "most simple attack is best approach" that
I like.

Many thanks,

Travis







"JulieD" wrote in message
...
Hi Travis

as soon as word changes the ... do ctrl & z (shortcut key combo for undo) to undo
the change - also you could choose tools / autocorrect (options) - find the ...
entry and delete it

Cheers
JulieD

"Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message
...
Hi, All,

Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ...
without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably
small) _character_ for ellipsis ...?

I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the
phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will
preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big.

"ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it
is info on tab stops!

Many thanks,

Travis

Hi Travis,
I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting
the
rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three
periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character
What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then
when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted?
Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from
breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would
almost
surely do so.
One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay
together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break
at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry
for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period
as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say?

Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because
Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before
the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and
probably capitalize the next word.

Daiya

Daiya,

Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I
think the three dots will
break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two
separate consequences.

I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception.

I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP)
and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell?

I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and,
now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat
these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me
what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following
letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable
ellipsis.

'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough.

I shall report my findings to the committee.

Travis



"Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Travis,
I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting
the
rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three
periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character
What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then
when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted?
Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from
breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would
almost
surely do so.
One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay
together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break
at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry
for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period
as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say?

Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because
Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before
the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and
probably capitalize the next word.

Daiya

To clarify:

1. Deleting the AutoCorrect entry is all that's required. You don't need to
replace it. Replacing three periods with three periods is the same as having
no AutoCorrect entry at all.

2. Word will not break a line after your three periods unless they are
followed by a space, nor will it break a line between the periods unless
there is a space.

3. Word will not capitalize the next word after your three periods unless
they are followed by a space.

4. All the same is true of an ellipsis character (no line breaks, no caps);
moreover, if you press Ctrl+Z to un-correct the AutoCorrection, restoring
the ellipsis to three periods, the effect is the same: no line break, no
caps unless you put a space after the final period.

5. Word does not auto-capitalize after an ellipsis followed by a space,
either, unless the ellipsis is followed by a period (that is, you have typed
four periods, the first three of which have been converted to an ellipsis).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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all may benefit.

"Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message
...
Daiya,

Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization
fires, and I
think the three dots will
break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not
two
separate consequences.

I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception.

I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print
under XP)
and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell?

I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line
breaking, and,
now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"!
"Treat
these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed
gets me
what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the
following
letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an
exportable
ellipsis.

'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough.

I shall report my findings to the committee.

Travis



"Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Travis,
I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by
deleting
the
rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced
by three
periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character
What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and
then
when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you
wanted?
Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from
breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule
would
almost
surely do so.
One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will
stay
together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not
break
at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect
entry
for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a
period
as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say?

Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play
because
Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number
before
the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and
probably capitalize the next word.

Daiya