what method to use to get "space after" a table

Yes Brian Table Grid uses Table Normal Style that is a default system style-
any new tables you create will follow the format you set with that.

If that works for your purposes having every new table with this Table
Normal Style great.

I use base Table Grid (modified for all my default tables) which resides in
Normal.dot or Normal.dotx but keep it very basic as tables are used in 1000s
of documents in many different ways every day and not all documents require
the exact same table layout (borders being one of them)- tables can be very
complex with merged cells and some rows have 1 column, some rows have 3
columns and so on - so the method of duplicating a row with format by moving
to the table marker outside the row end and pressing return is the quickest
way to duplicate a row for a user to add new information in the appropriate
table row format.

Glad you resolved your problem.

"Brian Murphy" wrote in message
...
Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.

I'm not sure, but I think all my tables are using a style called
"Table Grid". I suppose this is one of Word's default built in
styles.

It looks the contents of each individual table cell also get to be
assigned a paragraph style. I'm not sure how the style for the table,
and the style for the cell, work together to produce the final
result. I'll worry about that later.

Anyway, I just tried the following:

Selected the entire last row of one of my tables.
Did "modify style" for the "Table Grid" style.
Set "no border" for the last row only.

It works! All the tables throughout the document now have their last
row with no borders.

If I go to the last cell of each table and press Tab, an empty row is
added in the usual way, and is identical the row above it, but it has
no borders. So I can delete my empty paragraph after my table.

Unless I run into problems, this is going to be my approach to doing
tables from now on.

Cheers,

Brian

If you want to add a bordered row before the unbordered final row, place the
cursor at the end of the penultimate row (just outside the edge of the
table) and press enter. This adds an identical row below the row where the
cursor was placed.

Of course, this works for any row in a table, but by using the penultimate
row in this instance, it will give you your new row without effecting the
unbordered final row.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Brian Murphy" wrote in message
...
Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.

I'm not sure, but I think all my tables are using a style called
"Table Grid". I suppose this is one of Word's default built in
styles.

It looks the contents of each individual table cell also get to be
assigned a paragraph style. I'm not sure how the style for the table,
and the style for the cell, work together to produce the final
result. I'll worry about that later.

Anyway, I just tried the following:

Selected the entire last row of one of my tables.
Did "modify style" for the "Table Grid" style.
Set "no border" for the last row only.

It works! All the tables throughout the document now have their last
row with no borders.

If I go to the last cell of each table and press Tab, an empty row is
added in the usual way, and is identical the row above it, but it has
no borders. So I can delete my empty paragraph after my table.

Unless I run into problems, this is going to be my approach to doing
tables from now on.

Cheers,

Brian

I've already suggested that Terry - but not sure if many people know that
penultimate is "second last" - as a way to duplicate format for a table row.

"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
If you want to add a bordered row before the unbordered final row, place
the cursor at the end of the penultimate row (just outside the edge of the
table) and press enter. This adds an identical row below the row where the
cursor was placed.

Of course, this works for any row in a table, but by using the penultimate
row in this instance, it will give you your new row without effecting the
unbordered final row.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Brian Murphy" wrote in message
...
Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.

I'm not sure, but I think all my tables are using a style called
"Table Grid". I suppose this is one of Word's default built in
styles.

It looks the contents of each individual table cell also get to be
assigned a paragraph style. I'm not sure how the style for the table,
and the style for the cell, work together to produce the final
result. I'll worry about that later.

Anyway, I just tried the following:

Selected the entire last row of one of my tables.
Did "modify style" for the "Table Grid" style.
Set "no border" for the last row only.

It works! All the tables throughout the document now have their last
row with no borders.

If I go to the last cell of each table and press Tab, an empty row is
added in the usual way, and is identical the row above it, but it has
no borders. So I can delete my empty paragraph after my table.

Unless I run into problems, this is going to be my approach to doing
tables from now on.

Cheers,

Brian

With a table style, however, this is automatic. If you add a new row, the
previous row is no longer the last row, so it no longer has the "last row"
formatting.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
If you want to add a bordered row before the unbordered final row, place
the cursor at the end of the penultimate row (just outside the edge of the
table) and press enter. This adds an identical row below the row where the
cursor was placed.

Of course, this works for any row in a table, but by using the penultimate
row in this instance, it will give you your new row without effecting the
unbordered final row.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Brian Murphy" wrote in message
...
Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.

I'm not sure, but I think all my tables are using a style called
"Table Grid". I suppose this is one of Word's default built in
styles.

It looks the contents of each individual table cell also get to be
assigned a paragraph style. I'm not sure how the style for the table,
and the style for the cell, work together to produce the final
result. I'll worry about that later.

Anyway, I just tried the following:

Selected the entire last row of one of my tables.
Did "modify style" for the "Table Grid" style.
Set "no border" for the last row only.

It works! All the tables throughout the document now have their last
row with no borders.

If I go to the last cell of each table and press Tab, an empty row is
added in the usual way, and is identical the row above it, but it has
no borders. So I can delete my empty paragraph after my table.

Unless I run into problems, this is going to be my approach to doing
tables from now on.

Cheers,

Brian

You can designate any table style you prefer as your default table style for
a give template. New tables inserted in documents based on that template
will use that style.

Table Normal (which has no borders) is actually a different style from Table
Grid. Table Normal cannot be modified.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Jules" wrote in message
...
Yes Brian Table Grid uses Table Normal Style that is a default system
style- any new tables you create will follow the format you set with that.

If that works for your purposes having every new table with this Table
Normal Style great.

I use base Table Grid (modified for all my default tables) which resides
in Normal.dot or Normal.dotx but keep it very basic as tables are used in
1000s of documents in many different ways every day and not all documents
require the exact same table layout (borders being one of them)- tables
can be very complex with merged cells and some rows have 1 column, some
rows have 3 columns and so on - so the method of duplicating a row with
format by moving to the table marker outside the row end and pressing
return is the quickest way to duplicate a row for a user to add new
information in the appropriate table row format.

Glad you resolved your problem.

"Brian Murphy" wrote in message
...
Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.

I'm not sure, but I think all my tables are using a style called
"Table Grid". I suppose this is one of Word's default built in
styles.

It looks the contents of each individual table cell also get to be
assigned a paragraph style. I'm not sure how the style for the table,
and the style for the cell, work together to produce the final
result. I'll worry about that later.

Anyway, I just tried the following:

Selected the entire last row of one of my tables.
Did "modify style" for the "Table Grid" style.
Set "no border" for the last row only.

It works! All the tables throughout the document now have their last
row with no borders.

If I go to the last cell of each table and press Tab, an empty row is
added in the usual way, and is identical the row above it, but it has
no borders. So I can delete my empty paragraph after my table.

Unless I run into problems, this is going to be my approach to doing
tables from now on.

Cheers,

Brian

Table style is a very good way to get that spacing row in. If, like me, you
are formatting already created tables and rarely have two (out of, say, 20 in
a doc) of the same number of columns, merges, spans, and so forth, a table
style will suit the situation better than a preformatted grid.

Lots of people have trouble with table styles. I do too. Many of the
problems with table styles stem from setting text formatting (font, size,
alignment) in the table style and then trying to change it later with
paragraph styles or manual formatting. But the table style formatting cannot
be cleared by regular means. Also, most number columns call for manual
formatting (such as centering in the column but aligning on the decimal point)
, which may not work properly with table styles. How text in columns is
aligned depends on its length. Worse, the table style formatting may wipe out
manual formatting you need to keep. Etc. So in many cases, it is best not
put text settings in table styles, but to use paragraph styles to format the
table text (table heading, table text, and two bullet levels is usually
enough).

To set up a spacer row in a table style, modify the last row (total row in
W2007) and (ignoring the above about text setting) set the font size to
something small, line spacing to single, space after & before=0, cell
margins=0, row height=6 pt or what you choose. And of course the grid. Be
sure to add the blank row to the existing table before you apply the table
style.

I create a new table style based on Table grid for each project. I apply
Table Grid to clear any previous table styling then my table style.

PamC












Jules wrote:
Yes Brian Table Grid uses Table Normal Style that is a default system style-
any new tables you create will follow the format you set with that.

If that works for your purposes having every new table with this Table
Normal Style great.

I use base Table Grid (modified for all my default tables) which resides in
Normal.dot or Normal.dotx but keep it very basic as tables are used in 1000s
of documents in many different ways every day and not all documents require
the exact same table layout (borders being one of them)- tables can be very
complex with merged cells and some rows have 1 column, some rows have 3
columns and so on - so the method of duplicating a row with format by moving
to the table marker outside the row end and pressing return is the quickest
way to duplicate a row for a user to add new information in the appropriate
table row format.

Glad you resolved your problem.

Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.
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Brian

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PamC you can delete Table Grid (Table Style Normal) any time you like which
resets the Table Grid (table).

"PamC via OfficeKB.com" u43222@uwe wrote in message
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Table style is a very good way to get that spacing row in. If, like me,
you
are formatting already created tables and rarely have two (out of, say, 20
in
a doc) of the same number of columns, merges, spans, and so forth, a table
style will suit the situation better than a preformatted grid.

Lots of people have trouble with table styles. I do too. Many of the
problems with table styles stem from setting text formatting (font, size,
alignment) in the table style and then trying to change it later with
paragraph styles or manual formatting. But the table style formatting
cannot
be cleared by regular means. Also, most number columns call for manual
formatting (such as centering in the column but aligning on the decimal
point)
, which may not work properly with table styles. How text in columns is
aligned depends on its length. Worse, the table style formatting may wipe
out
manual formatting you need to keep. Etc. So in many cases, it is best
not
put text settings in table styles, but to use paragraph styles to format
the
table text (table heading, table text, and two bullet levels is usually
enough).

To set up a spacer row in a table style, modify the last row (total row
in
W2007) and (ignoring the above about text setting) set the font size to
something small, line spacing to single, space after & before=0, cell
margins=0, row height=6 pt or what you choose. And of course the grid.
Be
sure to add the blank row to the existing table before you apply the table
style.

I create a new table style based on Table grid for each project. I apply
Table Grid to clear any previous table styling then my table style.

PamC












Jules wrote:
Yes Brian Table Grid uses Table Normal Style that is a default system
style-
any new tables you create will follow the format you set with that.

If that works for your purposes having every new table with this Table
Normal Style great.

I use base Table Grid (modified for all my default tables) which resides
in
Normal.dot or Normal.dotx but keep it very basic as tables are used in
1000s
of documents in many different ways every day and not all documents
require
the exact same table layout (borders being one of them)- tables can be
very
complex with merged cells and some rows have 1 column, some rows have 3
columns and so on - so the method of duplicating a row with format by
moving
to the table marker outside the row end and pressing return is the
quickest
way to duplicate a row for a user to add new information in the
appropriate
table row format.

Glad you resolved your problem.

Table styles are something I've never paid any attention to before, so
I don't really understand them.
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Brian

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Thanks, I didn't know that. That will help when table grid changed in ways
that I don't like.

I just realized that I don't have to break my "rule" about no text
formatting in table styles after all. All I have to do is set the row
height to exactly 6 points--which is what I've just done to my table styles.

PamC

Jules wrote:
PamC you can delete Table Grid (Table Style Normal) any time you like which
resets the Table Grid (table).

Table style is a very good way to get that spacing row in. If, like me,
you
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Brian

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