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Old January 30th, 2009, 07:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Neil[_8_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

I'm using OE6 as my newsgroup reader. I keep losing my already-downloaded
headings from newsgroups. Very frustrating. I want to keep them.

Under Options, Maintenance, I have every box UNCHECKED, and all my
subscribed newsgroups are set to Don't Synchronize. What am I doing wrong?
How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers?

Thanks!


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Old January 30th, 2009, 07:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Neil" wrote in message
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I'm using OE6 as my newsgroup reader. I keep losing my already-downloaded
headings from newsgroups. Very frustrating. I want to keep them.

Under Options, Maintenance, I have every box UNCHECKED, and all my
subscribed newsgroups are set to Don't Synchronize. What am I doing wrong?
How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers?

Thanks!


  #3  
Old January 30th, 2009, 08:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

Bruce Hagen wrote:

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.


The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
NNTP server deleted them).
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Old January 30th, 2009, 11:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Neil[_8_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only
for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages
and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.


The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
NNTP server deleted them).


Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization." And I
remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was downloaded,
it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body of a message,
and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late (and when I
tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in strikethrough
text; but the header would still be there).

So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make sense.
And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE
would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.

Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after being
downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless of the
setting. Again, doesn't make sense.


  #5  
Old January 30th, 2009, 03:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Ron Sommer
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"Neil" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only
for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages
and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.


The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
NNTP server deleted them).


Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization." And
I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was
downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body
of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late
(and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in
strikethrough text; but the header would still be there).

So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make sense.
And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE
would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.

Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after
being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless of
the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.


A newsgroup is synchronized when you view the newsgroup if you are online.
Old messages will be removed when they expire from the server.
The synchronization settings apply to downloading of messages, not to the
removal of old messages.
If you do not want messages from a particular folder or newsgroup to be
downloaded, click Don't Synchronize.
The only way to keep old messages is to move them to a user created folder.
--
Ronald Sommer



  #6  
Old January 30th, 2009, 03:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Steve Cochran
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed, so
if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local folders.
That is the only way. People complained about this for many years and MS
just ignored them.

steve

"Neil" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only
for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages
and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.


The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
NNTP server deleted them).


Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization." And
I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was
downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body
of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late
(and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in
strikethrough text; but the header would still be there).

So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make sense.
And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE
would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.

Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after
being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless of
the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.



  #7  
Old January 30th, 2009, 03:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

Actually...

I think Microsoft was right on this one.

Newsgroup messages SHOULD be moved to a user-designed folder if he wants
them to be saved.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...

It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed,
so if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local
folders. That is the only way. People complained about this for many
years and MS just ignored them.

steve

"Neil" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only
for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local
folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages
and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.

The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
NNTP server deleted them).


Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization."
And I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was
downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body
of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late
(and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in
strikethrough text; but the header would still be there).

So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make
sense. And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point
where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.

Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after
being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless
of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.



  #8  
Old January 30th, 2009, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Neil[_8_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers


"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...


"Neil" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:

News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
different.
MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only
for
a few days.

If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local
folder.

Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages
and
Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.

The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
NNTP server deleted them).


Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization."
And I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was
downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body
of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late
(and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in
strikethrough text; but the header would still be there).

So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make
sense. And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point
where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.

Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after
being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless
of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.


A newsgroup is synchronized when you view the newsgroup if you are online.
Old messages will be removed when they expire from the server.
The synchronization settings apply to downloading of messages, not to the
removal of old messages.
If you do not want messages from a particular folder or newsgroup to be
downloaded, click Don't Synchronize.


So what you're saying is that if I click "Don't Synchronize," then messages
from that particular newsgroup will not be downloaded. Is that what you're
saying? Because that appears to be what you're saying. Yet I have "Don't
Synchronize" set for ALL my newsgroups. Yet I don't seem to have any problem
downloading messages.

So, what am I not seeing here?



The only way to keep old messages is to move them to a user created
folder.



  #9  
Old January 30th, 2009, 04:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Neil[_8_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers


"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed,
so if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local
folders. That is the only way. People complained about this for many
years and MS just ignored them.


And MS wonders why they're sinking faster than the titanic while Google
acquires their empire (apologies for the mixed metaphor; but maybe in this
case a mixed metaphor is fitting, given the absolutely absurd state of the
software).


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Old January 30th, 2009, 04:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Neil[_8_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Actually...

I think Microsoft was right on this one.

Newsgroup messages SHOULD be moved to a user-designed folder if he wants
them to be saved.


You're saying it's RIGHT that a user should have no choice in the matter?
Why is it RIGHT that a person should have to do extra work to save messages
that are already downloaded? I view hundreds of messages a week in
newsgroups. So it's RIGHT that I should have to do extra work just to keep
messages that have already been downloaded to my hard drive on my hard
drive? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Do you work for Microsoft? Are you a fan of the Third Reich?


 




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