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Word 2007 not working like Word 2003
We are having enormous problems with Word 2007. We are running XP Pro with
all updates and service packs. Office 2007 was installed last Friday (15/12/06). Apart from all the other issues about 'ribbons' (which we believe Microsoft has made a terrible design blunder with this), we are having a nightmare producing our normal daily reports in Word. In Word 2003 we created a landscape orientated document each morning with 2 pages, and chose different odd and even for our headers ((This is now far too long winded in Word 2007 and we continue to not be able to find the commands we are looking for)). Once we have done this we insert a Wordart header into the new blank header template and format it (this is also now very clumsy compared to what it used to be). This is then followed by inserting an object from a file e.g. an Excel spreadsheet with a block of data and a chart on the worksheet page. In the past this has come across as a single object and then we resized it as required to fit onto the Word page. This, apparently no longer works whether you are doing it as word/excel (doc/xls) or word/excel (docx/xlsx files). The only way to do this is a very long winded copy each object, paste special and choose either the Excel workbook or the Excel graphic. How can this be considered an increase in productivity? We believe Office 2007 will be rejected by most people. Some of the new features are okay (except the ribbon), the frustrations, learning curve (and cost behind that) are far too excessive to justify the change. It is a well known fact in our industry that every other version of Office is the way to go. Office 2000 was superb, we skipped XP and moved to 2003 which has been a real workhorse - short on lots of functionality but very stable and usable. Looks like Office 2007 has fallen into the 'skip one cycle'. The comments that we have been reading about Office 2007 from the pros all seem to suggest that it has been redesigned to suit the non-power user - make it easier for those who only use it sparingly - why is that - surely Microsoft need to cater for the people who are demanding and power users as they use the product the most. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc |
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Word 2007 not working like Word 2003
I agree that this is definately a "skip one cycle" release. I think that's
true of Office 2007, IE7, and even Vista. This is the first time in my career as a Windows developer that I've said this sort of thing with any vehemence (heck, I even liked WinME). I've been using Office 2007 for over a month... and while I love the improvements in Outlook 2007(actually they're bug fixes)... the rest of the suite is just a big PIA on many many many levels. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Bill" wrote in message ... We are having enormous problems with Word 2007. We are running XP Pro with all updates and service packs. Office 2007 was installed last Friday (15/12/06). Apart from all the other issues about 'ribbons' (which we believe Microsoft has made a terrible design blunder with this), we are having a nightmare producing our normal daily reports in Word. In Word 2003 we created a landscape orientated document each morning with 2 pages, and chose different odd and even for our headers ((This is now far too long winded in Word 2007 and we continue to not be able to find the commands we are looking for)). Once we have done this we insert a Wordart header into the new blank header template and format it (this is also now very clumsy compared to what it used to be). This is then followed by inserting an object from a file e.g. an Excel spreadsheet with a block of data and a chart on the worksheet page. In the past this has come across as a single object and then we resized it as required to fit onto the Word page. This, apparently no longer works whether you are doing it as word/excel (doc/xls) or word/excel (docx/xlsx files). The only way to do this is a very long winded copy each object, paste special and choose either the Excel workbook or the Excel graphic. How can this be considered an increase in productivity? We believe Office 2007 will be rejected by most people. Some of the new features are okay (except the ribbon), the frustrations, learning curve (and cost behind that) are far too excessive to justify the change. It is a well known fact in our industry that every other version of Office is the way to go. Office 2000 was superb, we skipped XP and moved to 2003 which has been a real workhorse - short on lots of functionality but very stable and usable. Looks like Office 2007 has fallen into the 'skip one cycle'. The comments that we have been reading about Office 2007 from the pros all seem to suggest that it has been redesigned to suit the non-power user - make it easier for those who only use it sparingly - why is that - surely Microsoft need to cater for the people who are demanding and power users as they use the product the most. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc |
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Word 2007 not working like Word 2003
which we believe Microsoft has made a terrible design blunder with this
Wait till you see vista... lol "Bill" wrote in message ... We are having enormous problems with Word 2007. We are running XP Pro with all updates and service packs. Office 2007 was installed last Friday (15/12/06). Apart from all the other issues about 'ribbons' (which we believe Microsoft has made a terrible design blunder with this), we are having a nightmare producing our normal daily reports in Word. In Word 2003 we created a landscape orientated document each morning with 2 pages, and chose different odd and even for our headers ((This is now far too long winded in Word 2007 and we continue to not be able to find the commands we are looking for)). Once we have done this we insert a Wordart header into the new blank header template and format it (this is also now very clumsy compared to what it used to be). This is then followed by inserting an object from a file e.g. an Excel spreadsheet with a block of data and a chart on the worksheet page. In the past this has come across as a single object and then we resized it as required to fit onto the Word page. This, apparently no longer works whether you are doing it as word/excel (doc/xls) or word/excel (docx/xlsx files). The only way to do this is a very long winded copy each object, paste special and choose either the Excel workbook or the Excel graphic. How can this be considered an increase in productivity? We believe Office 2007 will be rejected by most people. Some of the new features are okay (except the ribbon), the frustrations, learning curve (and cost behind that) are far too excessive to justify the change. It is a well known fact in our industry that every other version of Office is the way to go. Office 2000 was superb, we skipped XP and moved to 2003 which has been a real workhorse - short on lots of functionality but very stable and usable. Looks like Office 2007 has fallen into the 'skip one cycle'. The comments that we have been reading about Office 2007 from the pros all seem to suggest that it has been redesigned to suit the non-power user - make it easier for those who only use it sparingly - why is that - surely Microsoft need to cater for the people who are demanding and power users as they use the product the most. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc |
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Word 2007 not working like Word 2003
You are correct.. at last some people with brains are posting!
"C. Moya" wrote in message ... I agree that this is definately a "skip one cycle" release. I think that's true of Office 2007, IE7, and even Vista. This is the first time in my career as a Windows developer that I've said this sort of thing with any vehemence (heck, I even liked WinME). I've been using Office 2007 for over a month... and while I love the improvements in Outlook 2007(actually they're bug fixes)... the rest of the suite is just a big PIA on many many many levels. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Bill" wrote in message ... We are having enormous problems with Word 2007. We are running XP Pro with all updates and service packs. Office 2007 was installed last Friday (15/12/06). Apart from all the other issues about 'ribbons' (which we believe Microsoft has made a terrible design blunder with this), we are having a nightmare producing our normal daily reports in Word. In Word 2003 we created a landscape orientated document each morning with 2 pages, and chose different odd and even for our headers ((This is now far too long winded in Word 2007 and we continue to not be able to find the commands we are looking for)). Once we have done this we insert a Wordart header into the new blank header template and format it (this is also now very clumsy compared to what it used to be). This is then followed by inserting an object from a file e.g. an Excel spreadsheet with a block of data and a chart on the worksheet page. In the past this has come across as a single object and then we resized it as required to fit onto the Word page. This, apparently no longer works whether you are doing it as word/excel (doc/xls) or word/excel (docx/xlsx files). The only way to do this is a very long winded copy each object, paste special and choose either the Excel workbook or the Excel graphic. How can this be considered an increase in productivity? We believe Office 2007 will be rejected by most people. Some of the new features are okay (except the ribbon), the frustrations, learning curve (and cost behind that) are far too excessive to justify the change. It is a well known fact in our industry that every other version of Office is the way to go. Office 2000 was superb, we skipped XP and moved to 2003 which has been a real workhorse - short on lots of functionality but very stable and usable. Looks like Office 2007 has fallen into the 'skip one cycle'. The comments that we have been reading about Office 2007 from the pros all seem to suggest that it has been redesigned to suit the non-power user - make it easier for those who only use it sparingly - why is that - surely Microsoft need to cater for the people who are demanding and power users as they use the product the most. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc |
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Word 2007 not working like Word 2003
"Bill" wrote: We are having enormous problems with Word 2007. We are running XP Pro with all updates and service packs. Office 2007 was installed last Friday (15/12/06). Apart from all the other issues about 'ribbons' (which we believe Microsoft has made a terrible design blunder with this), we are having a nightmare producing our normal daily reports in Word. In Word 2003 we created a landscape orientated document each morning with 2 pages, and chose different odd and even for our headers ((This is now far too long winded in Word 2007 and we continue to not be able to find the commands we are looking for)). Once we have done this we insert a Wordart header into the new blank header template and format it (this is also now very clumsy compared to what it used to be). This is then followed by inserting an object from a file e.g. an Excel spreadsheet with a block of data and a chart on the worksheet page. In the past this has come across as a single object and then we resized it as required to fit onto the Word page. This, apparently no longer works whether you are doing it as word/excel (doc/xls) or word/excel (docx/xlsx files). The only way to do this is a very long winded copy each object, paste special and choose either the Excel workbook or the Excel graphic. How can this be considered an increase in productivity? We believe Office 2007 will be rejected by most people. Some of the new features are okay (except the ribbon), the frustrations, learning curve (and cost behind that) are far too excessive to justify the change. It is a well known fact in our industry that every other version of Office is the way to go. Office 2000 was superb, we skipped XP and moved to 2003 which has been a real workhorse - short on lots of functionality but very stable and usable. Looks like Office 2007 has fallen into the 'skip one cycle'. The comments that we have been reading about Office 2007 from the pros all seem to suggest that it has been redesigned to suit the non-power user - make it easier for those who only use it sparingly - why is that - surely Microsoft need to cater for the people who are demanding and power users as they use the product the most. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...ic.office.misc We have now discovered the reasoning behind all of this and a quick workaround. Firstly teh reasoning. Microsoft have changed the charting process in Office 2007. When you create a chart in Excel 2007 you are creating a separate object to the data that you used to generate the chart, therefore to insert object in Word, and choose the Excel spreadsheet you will get the first object only. Not sure this was a good or bad idea, but that is how it is. The workaround requires more steps thatn in 2003 but it works and isnt too complex. When in word, open the Excel workbook that has the chart and its data - copy all of the data in Excel with Edit Copy or Ctl C or whatever way you copy your data - make sure both the graphic and data are highlighted. Go back to Word and choose Paste Special. The Paste Special dialogue box appears and it defaults into HTML object. If you say okay you get your chart and its data - no it isn't the Excel file it was in 2003 but the HTML file has its benefits as well. Apart from the productivity issue mentioned in the earlier point, this item is now closed from our point of view. |
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Hi Bill,
Glad you found another workaround The method I posted in a reply to your original message appears (after the 3rd try) in the web interface for the MS discussion groups but for some reason hasn't appeared in the newsreader interface through news://msnews.microsoft.com. Must be something that the spam filters didn't like g. ============== "Bill" wrote in message ... We have now discovered the reasoning behind all of this and a quick workaround. Firstly teh reasoning. Microsoft have changed the charting process in Office 2007. When you create a chart in Excel 2007 you are creating a separate object to the data that you used to generate the chart, therefore to insert object in Word, and choose the Excel spreadsheet you will get the first object only. Not sure this was a good or bad idea, but that is how it is. The workaround requires more steps thatn in 2003 but it works and isnt too complex. When in word, open the Excel workbook that has the chart and its data - copy all of the data in Excel with Edit Copy or Ctl C or whatever way you copy your data - make sure both the graphic and data are highlighted. Go back to Word and choose Paste Special. The Paste Special dialogue box appears and it defaults into HTML object. If you say okay you get your chart and its data - no it isn't the Excel file it was in 2003 but the HTML file has its benefits as well. Apart from the productivity issue mentioned in the earlier point, this item is now closed from our point of view. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Word 2007 not working like Word 2003
I'm throwing my two cents in about the ribbons. As the CIO for a state with
40,000 PC/Microsoft users, I have nightmares about the training needed for those thousands of users to move from Word 2002/2003 to 2007. I won't even attempt it. I don't have now, nor will I ever have the resources and support desk personnel to handle those problems. Office 2007s ribbons strikes me as a case of having to do something, anything, to push out a new version. Our current versions of Words are just fine for the forseeable future. sigh "Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote: Hi Bill, Glad you found another workaround The method I posted in a reply to your original message appears (after the 3rd try) in the web interface for the MS discussion groups but for some reason hasn't appeared in the newsreader interface through news://msnews.microsoft.com. Must be something that the spam filters didn't like g. ============== "Bill" wrote in message ... We have now discovered the reasoning behind all of this and a quick workaround. Firstly teh reasoning. Microsoft have changed the charting process in Office 2007. When you create a chart in Excel 2007 you are creating a separate object to the data that you used to generate the chart, therefore to insert object in Word, and choose the Excel spreadsheet you will get the first object only. Not sure this was a good or bad idea, but that is how it is. The workaround requires more steps thatn in 2003 but it works and isnt too complex. When in word, open the Excel workbook that has the chart and its data - copy all of the data in Excel with Edit Copy or Ctl C or whatever way you copy your data - make sure both the graphic and data are highlighted. Go back to Word and choose Paste Special. The Paste Special dialogue box appears and it defaults into HTML object. If you say okay you get your chart and its data - no it isn't the Excel file it was in 2003 but the HTML file has its benefits as well. Apart from the productivity issue mentioned in the earlier point, this item is now closed from our point of view. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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(Although I'm not a huge fan of Office 2007), I think that what you say is a
little shortsighted. If you sit down and look at the apps, you'll see that the ribbon is essentially an "exploded" version of the classic Office menus. They are pretty intuitive... and I think prove themselves A LOT more productivity-inducing in the long-run. But, yeah, I don't think Office 2007 is worth the hassle. Maybe the next version will iron out the issues. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Courtney" wrote in message ... I'm throwing my two cents in about the ribbons. As the CIO for a state with 40,000 PC/Microsoft users, I have nightmares about the training needed for those thousands of users to move from Word 2002/2003 to 2007. I won't even attempt it. I don't have now, nor will I ever have the resources and support desk personnel to handle those problems. Office 2007s ribbons strikes me as a case of having to do something, anything, to push out a new version. Our current versions of Words are just fine for the forseeable future. sigh "Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote: Hi Bill, Glad you found another workaround The method I posted in a reply to your original message appears (after the 3rd try) in the web interface for the MS discussion groups but for some reason hasn't appeared in the newsreader interface through news://msnews.microsoft.com. Must be something that the spam filters didn't like g. ============== "Bill" wrote in message ... We have now discovered the reasoning behind all of this and a quick workaround. Firstly teh reasoning. Microsoft have changed the charting process in Office 2007. When you create a chart in Excel 2007 you are creating a separate object to the data that you used to generate the chart, therefore to insert object in Word, and choose the Excel spreadsheet you will get the first object only. Not sure this was a good or bad idea, but that is how it is. The workaround requires more steps thatn in 2003 but it works and isnt too complex. When in word, open the Excel workbook that has the chart and its data - copy all of the data in Excel with Edit Copy or Ctl C or whatever way you copy your data - make sure both the graphic and data are highlighted. Go back to Word and choose Paste Special. The Paste Special dialogue box appears and it defaults into HTML object. If you say okay you get your chart and its data - no it isn't the Excel file it was in 2003 but the HTML file has its benefits as well. Apart from the productivity issue mentioned in the earlier point, this item is now closed from our point of view. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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C -
Your point is well taken but it took us 2 years to move the civil servants from Word Perfect to MS Word and even then, too many cheated by keeping WP on their system and using it when no one was looking. People don't like change and changing word processors can be very tramatic to many people, especially those who barely are able to use what they have now. Any CIO of a large organization will say the same thing: 50% will make a good faith effort to learn something new. 30% will struggle and eat up 90% of your resources and the last 20% will fight it til the end. I'm not saying the ribbons are "bad", I'm saying they are different enough that this will cut short-to-medium term productivity, cause some frustration and cost us a lot in training. With budget constraints in government these days I can not be content with just long-term productivity gains. I can not afford a 1% productivity now given staffing levels and workload on our employees. The bottom line is there is nothing that new in 2007 that requires a massive switch-over. The average (government) Word user pounds out reports and memos and letters. 2003 does that just fine. 2007 doesn't bring anything new to the table that would require the effort needed to retrain thousands of users. Thanks for your thoughts. "C. Moya" wrote: (Although I'm not a huge fan of Office 2007), I think that what you say is a little shortsighted. If you sit down and look at the apps, you'll see that the ribbon is essentially an "exploded" version of the classic Office menus. They are pretty intuitive... and I think prove themselves A LOT more productivity-inducing in the long-run. But, yeah, I don't think Office 2007 is worth the hassle. Maybe the next version will iron out the issues. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Courtney" wrote in message ... I'm throwing my two cents in about the ribbons. As the CIO for a state with 40,000 PC/Microsoft users, I have nightmares about the training needed for those thousands of users to move from Word 2002/2003 to 2007. I won't even attempt it. I don't have now, nor will I ever have the resources and support desk personnel to handle those problems. Office 2007s ribbons strikes me as a case of having to do something, anything, to push out a new version. Our current versions of Words are just fine for the forseeable future. sigh "Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote: Hi Bill, Glad you found another workaround The method I posted in a reply to your original message appears (after the 3rd try) in the web interface for the MS discussion groups but for some reason hasn't appeared in the newsreader interface through news://msnews.microsoft.com. Must be something that the spam filters didn't like g. ============== "Bill" wrote in message ... We have now discovered the reasoning behind all of this and a quick workaround. Firstly teh reasoning. Microsoft have changed the charting process in Office 2007. When you create a chart in Excel 2007 you are creating a separate object to the data that you used to generate the chart, therefore to insert object in Word, and choose the Excel spreadsheet you will get the first object only. Not sure this was a good or bad idea, but that is how it is. The workaround requires more steps thatn in 2003 but it works and isnt too complex. When in word, open the Excel workbook that has the chart and its data - copy all of the data in Excel with Edit Copy or Ctl C or whatever way you copy your data - make sure both the graphic and data are highlighted. Go back to Word and choose Paste Special. The Paste Special dialogue box appears and it defaults into HTML object. If you say okay you get your chart and its data - no it isn't the Excel file it was in 2003 but the HTML file has its benefits as well. Apart from the productivity issue mentioned in the earlier point, this item is now closed from our point of view. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Point taken. I guess what I was trying to say is that I believe that Office
users will find Office 2007's ribbon instantly intuitive. I just don't really see "the training" involved. Basically, the Ribbon is not as "new" as it appears at first blush. In fact, all it does is make functions that used to be buried in submenus and dialog boxes, instantly available.... The buttons still bring up the *same* exact dialog boxes that have always been there (like the super-UNintuitive Envelopes and Labels dialog). This is actually a pet-peeve of mine. I expected Office 2007 to be MORE of an advance and overhaul than it actually is. Having said that, I understand what you mean. I think MS "broke" enough things (custom toolbars) and failed to address longstanding quirks and deficiencies to warrant serious skepticism. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Courtney" wrote in message ... C - Your point is well taken but it took us 2 years to move the civil servants from Word Perfect to MS Word and even then, too many cheated by keeping WP on their system and using it when no one was looking. People don't like change and changing word processors can be very tramatic to many people, especially those who barely are able to use what they have now. Any CIO of a large organization will say the same thing: 50% will make a good faith effort to learn something new. 30% will struggle and eat up 90% of your resources and the last 20% will fight it til the end. I'm not saying the ribbons are "bad", I'm saying they are different enough that this will cut short-to-medium term productivity, cause some frustration and cost us a lot in training. With budget constraints in government these days I can not be content with just long-term productivity gains. I can not afford a 1% productivity now given staffing levels and workload on our employees. The bottom line is there is nothing that new in 2007 that requires a massive switch-over. The average (government) Word user pounds out reports and memos and letters. 2003 does that just fine. 2007 doesn't bring anything new to the table that would require the effort needed to retrain thousands of users. Thanks for your thoughts. "C. Moya" wrote: (Although I'm not a huge fan of Office 2007), I think that what you say is a little shortsighted. If you sit down and look at the apps, you'll see that the ribbon is essentially an "exploded" version of the classic Office menus. They are pretty intuitive... and I think prove themselves A LOT more productivity-inducing in the long-run. But, yeah, I don't think Office 2007 is worth the hassle. Maybe the next version will iron out the issues. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Courtney" wrote in message ... I'm throwing my two cents in about the ribbons. As the CIO for a state with 40,000 PC/Microsoft users, I have nightmares about the training needed for those thousands of users to move from Word 2002/2003 to 2007. I won't even attempt it. I don't have now, nor will I ever have the resources and support desk personnel to handle those problems. Office 2007s ribbons strikes me as a case of having to do something, anything, to push out a new version. Our current versions of Words are just fine for the forseeable future. sigh "Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote: Hi Bill, Glad you found another workaround The method I posted in a reply to your original message appears (after the 3rd try) in the web interface for the MS discussion groups but for some reason hasn't appeared in the newsreader interface through news://msnews.microsoft.com. Must be something that the spam filters didn't like g. ============== "Bill" wrote in message ... We have now discovered the reasoning behind all of this and a quick workaround. Firstly teh reasoning. Microsoft have changed the charting process in Office 2007. When you create a chart in Excel 2007 you are creating a separate object to the data that you used to generate the chart, therefore to insert object in Word, and choose the Excel spreadsheet you will get the first object only. Not sure this was a good or bad idea, but that is how it is. The workaround requires more steps thatn in 2003 but it works and isnt too complex. When in word, open the Excel workbook that has the chart and its data - copy all of the data in Excel with Edit Copy or Ctl C or whatever way you copy your data - make sure both the graphic and data are highlighted. Go back to Word and choose Paste Special. The Paste Special dialogue box appears and it defaults into HTML object. If you say okay you get your chart and its data - no it isn't the Excel file it was in 2003 but the HTML file has its benefits as well. Apart from the productivity issue mentioned in the earlier point, this item is now closed from our point of view. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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