t time user of email server

Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication checked on
the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks also for your more
detailed response, although I haven't yet had occasion to use it. And,
though though I'm not sure that responding to this message is the right way
to reach their attention, I'd like to thank everyone else who contributed to
this thread for what they did to help me.

I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a message
about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is now taking
significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that both phenomena are
related to OE runnning at startup and in the background, so my next step is
to prevent the former and set it to run only when I start it explicitly or
click on a mailto link. I'll have to refresh my memory of how to do that
from the Run box or Start Up Cop or something, but I think I can do that,
but if IE6 runs glacially after I've started OE I'll also want to be able to
kill its processes, including the background ones, rather than reboot. Is
there a better way than researching process names and killing them from the
Task Manager? Or am I completely off base on my diagnoses and OE6 runs in
background with very little load and I've probably got some other coincident
problem? Just asking for your top-of-the-head response here, and
appreciating it. Few of us have the time to completely diagnose all the
squirrelly things going on in our own computers, much less others...

"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
authentication checked on the servers tab.

It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection. This
could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port, they often
block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning outgoing mail.

With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the e-mail
scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells the program
not to flag any messages. It still processes all the messages and may
still cause send/receive problems. What you may need to do is uninstall
the anti-virus program, then reinstall it using a custom install option
and unselect the e-mail scanning component for installation.

If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which will
show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In OE5+, go
to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You may need to
close OE after doing the send for the log to get written to disk. The log
will be in the Store Folder which is listed in Tools, Options,
Maintenance, Store Folder.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't say
that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook up
with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to Yahoo
Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook Express.

Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mai...op/pop-08.html
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup reader.
That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my attempts to
access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A time-out
occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: SMTP,
Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A time-out
occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always gone
through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account look
like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I should put in
when I looked that question up. And you can see what they are in the
error messages. What am I missing?

Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication checked on
the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks also for your more
detailed response, although I haven't yet had occasion to use it. And,
though though I'm not sure that responding to this message is the right way
to reach their attention, I'd like to thank everyone else who contributed to
this thread for what they did to help me.

I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a message
about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is now taking
significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that both phenomena are
related to OE runnning at startup and in the background, so my next step is
to prevent the former and set it to run only when I start it explicitly or
click on a mailto link. I'll have to refresh my memory of how to do that
from the Run box or Start Up Cop or something, but I think I can do that,
but if IE6 runs glacially after I've started OE I'll also want to be able to
kill its processes, including the background ones, rather than reboot. Is
there a better way than researching process names and killing them from the
Task Manager? Or am I completely off base on my diagnoses and OE6 runs in
background with very little load and I've probably got some other coincident
problem? Just asking for your top-of-the-head response here, and
appreciating it. Few of us have the time to completely diagnose all the
squirrelly things going on in our own computers, much less others...

I hope this is not a duplicate post. When I killed OE6 it tried and failed
to send this posting via my dialer, which was not connected. Why it thought
the default was the dialer rather than the LAN is a mystery, since the
account properties didn't select a non-default. And, despite failing to send
(I'm pretty sure) it moved the message to my Sent Items stack The only thing
I did that was different from my earlier response was change the subject to
correct "t" to "1st". Ah, well, if this second try works, put it down to an
unpatched bug.

"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
authentication checked on the servers tab.

It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection. This
could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port, they often
block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning outgoing mail.

With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the e-mail
scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells the program
not to flag any messages. It still processes all the messages and may
still cause send/receive problems. What you may need to do is uninstall
the anti-virus program, then reinstall it using a custom install option
and unselect the e-mail scanning component for installation.

If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which will
show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In OE5+, go
to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You may need to
close OE after doing the send for the log to get written to disk. The log
will be in the Store Folder which is listed in Tools, Options,
Maintenance, Store Folder.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't say
that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook up
with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to Yahoo
Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook Express.

Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mai...op/pop-08.html
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup reader.
That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my attempts to
access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A time-out
occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: SMTP,
Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A time-out
occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always gone
through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account look
like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I should put in
when I looked that question up. And you can see what they are in the
error messages. What am I missing?

Sorry for the ...triple?... posting. When I exited OE it reported,
mysteriously, failing to send the post via my dialer, which wasn't hooked up
and wasn't selected as the connection for this account. It nonetheless moved
the post to my Sent Item stack. I then went into the account setting and
checked the the "Always use..." box but selected LAN, which is also the
default, as the connection. Somehow that may have generated the re-send. I
then recreated and re-sent the post, this time not changing the subject line
to correct "t" to "1st", which I thought might have triggered a bug. As I
write this, that hasn't shown up yet, but I presume it will. Bugs do strange
things....

This worked for me after ages failing with many permutations from the net:

Go to: Tools Accounts [select Gmail Account] Properties

Then in:

Servers: pop.gmail.com
smtp.gmail.com
Log on using Secure Password Authentication - OFF
My server requires authentication - ON
Connection OFF
Security 3DES
Advanced Outgoing mail (SMTP) - 25
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Incoming mail (POP3) - 995
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Sending … OFF



"N. Miller" wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:07:50 -0700, Andy Phillips wrote:

Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't say that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook up with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

Do you also have "Secure Password Authorization" checked? If so, try
unchecking it.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

Overview of the Mail Notification Display on the Windows XP Welcome
Screen
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=304148

If OE is being automatically started at boot, it's most likely has a
short cut in Start, Programs, Start Up group.

When OE first starts it might use a fair amount of resources for a
while. Most likely its involved with checking mail. How long that will
take depends on the number of type of e-mail accounts and how many
messages are on the mail server. Also, if OE is set to check for
messages every few minutes (Tools, Options, General) that take put a
load on the system.

But If OE is not checking for messages, having it loaded in the
background should have an insignificant impact on your system.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication
checked on the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks
also for your more detailed response, although I haven't yet had
occasion to use it. And, though though I'm not sure that responding to
this message is the right way to reach their attention, I'd like to
thank everyone else who contributed to this thread for what they did
to help me.

I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a
message about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is
now taking significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that
both phenomena are related to OE runnning at startup and in the
background, so my next step is to prevent the former and set it to run
only when I start it explicitly or click on a mailto link. I'll have
to refresh my memory of how to do that from the Run box or Start Up
Cop or something, but I think I can do that, but if IE6 runs glacially
after I've started OE I'll also want to be able to kill its processes,
including the background ones, rather than reboot. Is there a better
way than researching process names and killing them from the Task
Manager? Or am I completely off base on my diagnoses and OE6 runs in
background with very little load and I've probably got some other
coincident problem? Just asking for your top-of-the-head response
here, and appreciating it. Few of us have the time to completely
diagnose all the squirrelly things going on in our own computers, much
less others...

"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
authentication checked on the servers tab.

It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection.
This could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port,
they often block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning
outgoing mail.

With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the
e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells
the program not to flag any messages. It still processes all the
messages and may still cause send/receive problems. What you may
need to do is uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it
using a custom install option and unselect the e-mail scanning
component for installation.

If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which
will show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In
OE5+, go to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You
may need to close OE after doing the send for the log to get written
to disk. The log will be in the Store Folder which is listed in
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't
say that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook
up with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send
produces the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt
Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server:
'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number:
0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to
Yahoo Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook
Express.

Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mai...op/pop-08.html
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup
reader. That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my
attempts to access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A
time-out occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol:
SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A
time-out occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always
gone through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account
look like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I
should put in when I looked that question up. And you can see what
they are in the error messages. What am I missing?

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:18:01 -0700, Leon wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:07:50 -0700, Andy Phillips wrote:

Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't say that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook up with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

Do you also have "Secure Password Authorization" checked? If so, try
unchecking it.

This worked for me after ages failing with many permutations from the net:

Go to: Tools Accounts [select Gmail Account] Properties

Then in:

Servers: pop.gmail.com
smtp.gmail.com
Log on using Secure Password Authentication - OFF
My server requires authentication - ON
Connection OFF
Security 3DES
Advanced Outgoing mail (SMTP) - 25
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Incoming mail (POP3) - 995
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Sending ¡K OFF


It is nice that Gmail actually works with port 25, but that is not the
recommended message submission port, either in the Gmail setup instructions,
or the new RFC 5321 (describing the SMTP protocol). The RFC recommended
message submission port (both RFC 5321, and the older RFC 2476) is port 587.
The Gmail recommended message submission port is port 465 w/SSL.

Although I sometimes take the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach,
when I am familiar with the details, and the wherefores (an archaic English
word, out of an Elizabethan play; look it up!) I tend to make changes to
comply with the recommendations, even when things work otherwise. Sometimes,
people on the other end also change to fit the recommendations. As in, if
your ISP were to decide to block outbound port 25 to off-network
destinations, your Gmail account would stop working until you changed your
outbound port to match the recommendations.

If you use MS Outlook Express, you can only use recommended port 465 with
'smtp.gmail.com' because MSOE only knows how to apply TLS on port 25, not on
port 587. Gmail insists on using TLS on port 587.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

Thanks for the good info. I was only checking for new mail every 30 min, so
it looks like I'll have to look for a different culprit. Lots of interesting
info at your website, I see.

Andy


"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
Overview of the Mail Notification Display on the Windows XP Welcome Screen
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=304148

If OE is being automatically started at boot, it's most likely has a short
cut in Start, Programs, Start Up group.

When OE first starts it might use a fair amount of resources for a while.
Most likely its involved with checking mail. How long that will take
depends on the number of type of e-mail accounts and how many messages are
on the mail server. Also, if OE is set to check for messages every few
minutes (Tools, Options, General) that take put a load on the system.

But If OE is not checking for messages, having it loaded in the background
should have an insignificant impact on your system.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication checked
on the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks also for your
more detailed response, although I haven't yet had occasion to use it.
And, though though I'm not sure that responding to this message is the
right way to reach their attention, I'd like to thank everyone else who
contributed to this thread for what they did to help me.

I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a message
about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is now taking
significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that both phenomena
are related to OE runnning at startup and in the background, so my next
step is to prevent the former and set it to run only when I start it
explicitly or click on a mailto link. I'll have to refresh my memory of
how to do that from the Run box or Start Up Cop or something, but I think
I can do that, but if IE6 runs glacially after I've started OE I'll also
want to be able to kill its processes, including the background ones,
rather than reboot. Is there a better way than researching process names
and killing them from the Task Manager? Or am I completely off base on my
diagnoses and OE6 runs in background with very little load and I've
probably got some other coincident problem? Just asking for your
top-of-the-head response here, and appreciating it. Few of us have the
time to completely diagnose all the squirrelly things going on in our own
computers, much less others...

"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
authentication checked on the servers tab.

It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection. This
could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port, they often
block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning outgoing
mail.

With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the
e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells the
program not to flag any messages. It still processes all the messages
and may still cause send/receive problems. What you may need to do is
uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it using a custom
install option and unselect the e-mail scanning component for
installation.

If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which
will show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In
OE5+, go to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You may
need to close OE after doing the send for the log to get written to
disk. The log will be in the Store Folder which is listed in Tools,
Options, Maintenance, Store Folder.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't say
that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook up
with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt
Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to
Yahoo Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook Express.

Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mai...op/pop-08.html
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Andy Phillips" wrote in message
...
I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup reader.
That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my attempts to
access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A time-out
occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: SMTP,
Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A time-out
occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always
gone through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account
look like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I should
put in when I looked that question up. And you can see what they are
in the error messages. What am I missing?

My actual problem was not having authentication checked on the servers tab.
The settings that are working for me are identical to those N. Miller
recommends except that for outging mail (SMTP) I am using 465 at the behest
of someone else in this thread, who noted that Comcast (my service provider)
often blocks 25. That still leaves me a bit curious why at some point in
this process 25 was, if I remember correctly, the default, and what if
anything has been lost because my connection to Gmail can't use TLS, but
these are low level curiosities that I probably won't pursue until I need
to. Thanks for your deeper explanation, however. And to N. Miller for his
confirmation that my other settings are right.


"N. Miller" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:18:01 -0700, Leon wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:07:50 -0700, Andy Phillips wrote:

Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...-settings.html, doesn't say
that
and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/t...ook-gmail.html) to hook up
with
my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
the
error

"An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt
Dance
Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"

More buggy info?

Do you also have "Secure Password Authorization" checked? If so, try
unchecking it.

This worked for me after ages failing with many permutations from the
net:

Go to: Tools Accounts [select Gmail Account] Properties

Then in:

Servers: pop.gmail.com
smtp.gmail.com
Log on using Secure Password Authentication - OFF
My server requires authentication - ON
Connection OFF
Security 3DES
Advanced Outgoing mail (SMTP) - 25
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Incoming mail (POP3) - 995
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Sending ¡K OFF


It is nice that Gmail actually works with port 25, but that is not the
recommended message submission port, either in the Gmail setup
instructions,
or the new RFC 5321 (describing the SMTP protocol). The RFC recommended
message submission port (both RFC 5321, and the older RFC 2476) is port
587.
The Gmail recommended message submission port is port 465 w/SSL.

Although I sometimes take the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach,
when I am familiar with the details, and the wherefores (an archaic
English
word, out of an Elizabethan play; look it up!) I tend to make changes to
comply with the recommendations, even when things work otherwise.
Sometimes,
people on the other end also change to fit the recommendations. As in, if
your ISP were to decide to block outbound port 25 to off-network
destinations, your Gmail account would stop working until you changed your
outbound port to match the recommendations.

If you use MS Outlook Express, you can only use recommended port 465 with
'smtp.gmail.com' because MSOE only knows how to apply TLS on port 25, not
on
port 587. Gmail insists on using TLS on port 587.

--
Norman
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~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:13:14 -0800, Andy Phillips wrote:

My actual problem was not having authentication checked on the servers tab.
The settings that are working for me are identical to those N. Miller
recommends except that for outging mail (SMTP) I am using 465 at the behest
of someone else in this thread, who noted that Comcast (my service provider)
often blocks 25. That still leaves me a bit curious why at some point in
this process 25 was, if I remember correctly, the default...

Port 25 was always the default for SMTP mail transfer; if you run a mail
server, port 25 was not just the default, but *required*, to make things
work. Originally described in RFC 821, port 25 was accepted as an optional
message submission port because many mail clients at that time could not be
configured for a message submission port.

RFC 2476 was written in December, 1998, and described the preferred message
submission port: Port 587.

Most contemporary email clients, written since MSFT changed the name of
"Internet Mail & News" to "MS Outlook Express", at version 4 I believe, are
able to use ports other than port 25 for email message submission. Anybody
currently running a client which can't use a proper message submission port
is running an antique; sort of like driving on a freeway in a Model T Ford
automobile. They shouldn't be operating in the "Fast Lane", so to speak.

Spammers have changed the face of email. Forever. Everybody just needs to
adapt.

...and what if anything has been lost because my connection to Gmail can't
use TLS...

I don't think you lose much. There are some very minor differences between
the way that TLS works, and the way that SSL works. They are supposedly the
same; but their implementation in MSOE is sufficiently different that you
can't properly connect with a TLS server unless you use port 25. And there
is a problem with that: MSOE implements TLS on a try it, and if it fails,
fall back to no security at all. It is best to not connect to a secure
server in that manner.

MSOE has been long out of development. The problem is, MSFT has not fixed
this flaw in their latest free client, Windows Live Mail. And I believe it
is a serious flaw.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.