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Or Steve on a good day. g
"Jeff Jones" wrote in message ... LOL. That actually sounds more like a politician running for an election..... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:54:43 EST, Steve Rindsberg wrote: In article , Jeff Jones wrote: It's too bad that you took the Fortran course. 'Course it coulda been Assembler or some other somewhet useful language like AdPac or Ramis. Hm. How about a language called Dissembler? Never gives the same answer twice in a row. ----------------------------------------- Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com =============================================== = |
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In article , Jeff Jones wrote:
LOL. That actually sounds more like a politician running for an election..... Dissembler's a favorite for crafting political mailmerge apps. It's lips even move when it prints. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:54:43 EST, Steve Rindsberg wrote: In article , Jeff Jones wrote: It's too bad that you took the Fortran course. 'Course it coulda been Assembler or some other somewhet useful language like AdPac or Ramis. Hm. How about a language called Dissembler? Never gives the same answer twice in a row. ----------------------------------------- Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com =============================================== = ----------------------------------------- Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com PPTools: www.pptools.com ================================================ |
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I agree Kathy, I never liked PL/1 ....
Paper tape and data cells were still in use when I started. All applications were on punch cards. If the programmer were smart, the cards would have sequence numbers in columns 73 through 80 because inevitably the deck would be dropped. Then the cards could go to the collator to be re-sequenced. Those were the days that people carried IBM cards in their pocket to make notes and everyone had a green card to do hexadecimal translations and other important machine functions. I actually still have an actual green card. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:35 -0700, "Kathy J" wrote: We were on punch cards. First time through, that was part of the problem. Second time through, we had moved to a VAX and I was one of the few who started the school year already knowing how to use the machine. COBOL was long-winded. But it isn't as bad as, say, PL/1 or PL/C.... |
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I agree Kathy, I never liked PL/1 ....
Paper tape and data cells were still in use when I started. All applications were on punch cards. If the programmer were smart, the cards would have sequence numbers in columns 73 through 80 because inevitably the deck would be dropped. Then the cards could go to the collator to be re-sequenced. Those were the days that people carried IBM cards in their pocket to make notes and everyone had a green card to do hexadecimal translations and other important machine functions. I actually still have an actual green card. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:35 -0700, "Kathy J" wrote: We were on punch cards. First time through, that was part of the problem. Second time through, we had moved to a VAX and I was one of the few who started the school year already knowing how to use the machine. COBOL was long-winded. But it isn't as bad as, say, PL/1 or PL/C.... |
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I agree Kathy, I never liked PL/1 ....
Paper tape and data cells were still in use when I started. All applications were on punch cards. If the programmer were smart, the cards would have sequence numbers in columns 73 through 80 because inevitably the deck would be dropped. Then the cards could go to the collator to be re-sequenced. Those were the days that people carried IBM cards in their pocket to make notes and everyone had a green card to do hexadecimal translations and other important machine functions. I actually still have a real green card. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:35 -0700, "Kathy J" wrote: We were on punch cards. First time through, that was part of the problem. Second time through, we had moved to a VAX and I was one of the few who started the school year already knowing how to use the machine. COBOL was long-winded. But it isn't as bad as, say, PL/1 or PL/C.... |
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Hey Jeff - We still have punch cards around here somewhere. Want some?
My husband says that assembler is worse than COBOL when using punchcards... One little change and....ARGUH! -- Kathryn Jacobs, Microsoft MVP PowerPoint and OneNote Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint - Available now from Holy Macro! Books Get PowerPoint answers at http://www.powerpointanswers.com I believe life is meant to be lived. But: if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived "Jeff Jones" wrote in message ... I agree Kathy, I never liked PL/1 .... Paper tape and data cells were still in use when I started. All applications were on punch cards. If the programmer were smart, the cards would have sequence numbers in columns 73 through 80 because inevitably the deck would be dropped. Then the cards could go to the collator to be re-sequenced. Those were the days that people carried IBM cards in their pocket to make notes and everyone had a green card to do hexadecimal translations and other important machine functions. I actually still have a real green card. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:35 -0700, "Kathy J" wrote: We were on punch cards. First time through, that was part of the problem. Second time through, we had moved to a VAX and I was one of the few who started the school year already knowing how to use the machine. COBOL was long-winded. But it isn't as bad as, say, PL/1 or PL/C.... |
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Hi Kathy,
I suspect that I've still got one 2-inch deck of cards here, just for old times sake. It's next to my green card and a 8.5 inch mag tape with important stuff on it that I can't get to and haven't been able to for years. Thanks for the offer but sticky tabs have replaced the 80-column cards. I agree that Assembler was MUCH worse than COBOL. I actually liked COBOL, especially COBOL II. The in-line performs were kewl.... If done correctly COBOL was self-documenting. However there were far too many programmers who followed assembler conventions in COBOL to the self-documenting feature was absent. I used to sit at my desk and "play computer" to try to figure out what the program was doing. On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:48:10 -0700, "Kathy J" wrote: Hey Jeff - We still have punch cards around here somewhere. Want some? My husband says that assembler is worse than COBOL when using punchcards... One little change and....ARGUH! |
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Wow! You guys had cards and tape?! We had to wire every instruction on a
large panel of electrical contacts. Key punches and cards must have been so nice! "Jeff Jones" wrote in message ... I agree Kathy, I never liked PL/1 .... Paper tape and data cells were still in use when I started. All applications were on punch cards. If the programmer were smart, the cards would have sequence numbers in columns 73 through 80 because inevitably the deck would be dropped. Then the cards could go to the collator to be re-sequenced. Those were the days that people carried IBM cards in their pocket to make notes and everyone had a green card to do hexadecimal translations and other important machine functions. I actually still have a real green card. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:35 -0700, "Kathy J" wrote: We were on punch cards. First time through, that was part of the problem. Second time through, we had moved to a VAX and I was one of the few who started the school year already knowing how to use the machine. COBOL was long-winded. But it isn't as bad as, say, PL/1 or PL/C.... |
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In article , Mike M. wrote:
Wow! You guys had cards and tape?! We had to wire every instruction on a large panel of electrical contacts. Key punches and cards must have been so nice! You had wire? And instructions? Probably only walked twenty miles each way to school in snow no higher than your chin too. We had to stick metal rods through our decks of cards and LIFT. You kids had it easy! Your pal, Herman Hollerith Ah, Monsieur Hollerith is a good fellow but he doesn't know how easy his life was. Cards? We only had stacks of wooden slabs. And we had to run thread every which way through them before we could think of starting. And they kept the machinery atop a mountain we had to climb every morning. Barefoot. Through thorns that grew atop the icepack. Bonjour, Joseph Jacquard |
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