Annoying vertical line in emails

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
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"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags.
....

Why edit the source? All you have to do is click on the decrease indent tab
and the line goes away for the line you are on.


Note the portion of the sentence that I quoted? eg

I agree that the Decrease Indent command is an answer to the
portion that I didn't quote:
or get rid of it entirely?

I would also agree with suggesting that procedure *if* there was a way
to add the line back with the (ostensibly) reverse command,
Increase Indent but it is *not* the reverse of what the Decrease Indent
does in that case. In fact, I can't even make Decrease Indent command
apply to just a selected portion of the text as you imply may be possible.
If I select some text, that seems to be where the command starts to take
effect but it has no control over where it stops. Therefore if I am inserting
new material and want to requote the portion under my insertion I *have to*
use the Increase Indent command and that tabs the old material in,
rather than prefix it only by the solid line.

Hmm... I was thinking that in order to avoid that tab effect and retain
the solid line I would have to insert my own end and begin BLOCKQUOTE
tags but I have just realized that all I needed to do was *use* the new
BLOCKQUOTE tags that the Increase Indent command generates
and then replace the new BLOCKQUOTE begin tag's *attributes*
with the attributes from one which prefixes the solid bar and doesn't tab.
That *is* much simpler! Thanks for making me find that.

Is there some other option I'm missing which would preserve/regenerate
the solid line otherwise?


Robert
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steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags. I.e. a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
end tag will prefix your addition; a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
begin tag will resume the vertical line prefix for the text which follows.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


When replying to some emails, the original sender's text ends up with a
vertical line on the left margin. If I want to intersperse my responses
with
their text, the line expands, instead of breaking, so it's hard to
differentiate original text from the response, unless I want to fool
around
with making mine a different color.

Is there a way to either make that line break, or get rid of it entirely?

I'll have to test this more. I tried to do it in this NG, but replying via
HTML to PT doesn't generate the line.

steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

...
"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags.
...

Why edit the source? All you have to do is click on the decrease indent
tab
and the line goes away for the line you are on.


Note the portion of the sentence that I quoted? eg

I agree that the Decrease Indent command is an answer to the
portion that I didn't quote:
or get rid of it entirely?

I would also agree with suggesting that procedure *if* there was a way
to add the line back with the (ostensibly) reverse command,
Increase Indent but it is *not* the reverse of what the Decrease Indent
does in that case. In fact, I can't even make Decrease Indent command
apply to just a selected portion of the text as you imply may be possible.
If I select some text, that seems to be where the command starts to take
effect but it has no control over where it stops. Therefore if I am
inserting
new material and want to requote the portion under my insertion I *have
to*
use the Increase Indent command and that tabs the old material in,
rather than prefix it only by the solid line.

Hmm... I was thinking that in order to avoid that tab effect and retain
the solid line I would have to insert my own end and begin BLOCKQUOTE
tags but I have just realized that all I needed to do was *use* the new
BLOCKQUOTE tags that the Increase Indent command generates
and then replace the new BLOCKQUOTE begin tag's *attributes*
with the attributes from one which prefixes the solid bar and doesn't tab.
That *is* much simpler! Thanks for making me find that.

Is there some other option I'm missing which would preserve/regenerate
the solid line otherwise?


Robert
---



steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags. I.e. a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
end tag will prefix your addition; a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
begin tag will resume the vertical line prefix for the text which
follows.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


When replying to some emails, the original sender's text ends up with a
vertical line on the left margin. If I want to intersperse my responses
with
their text, the line expands, instead of breaking, so it's hard to
differentiate original text from the response, unless I want to fool
around
with making mine a different color.

Is there a way to either make that line break, or get rid of it
entirely?

Well, I just tested this. OE puts a left border on every DIV it generates
when you reply, so other than the methods you describe, there doesn't seem
to be an easy way to get rid of the entire line.

However, if you don't want the line at all, then why do you have Indent on
reply checked under Tools | Options | Send | HTML settings?

steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

...
"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags.
...

Why edit the source? All you have to do is click on the decrease indent
tab
and the line goes away for the line you are on.


Note the portion of the sentence that I quoted? eg

I agree that the Decrease Indent command is an answer to the
portion that I didn't quote:
or get rid of it entirely?

I would also agree with suggesting that procedure *if* there was a way
to add the line back with the (ostensibly) reverse command,
Increase Indent but it is *not* the reverse of what the Decrease Indent
does in that case. In fact, I can't even make Decrease Indent command
apply to just a selected portion of the text as you imply may be possible.
If I select some text, that seems to be where the command starts to take
effect but it has no control over where it stops. Therefore if I am
inserting
new material and want to requote the portion under my insertion I *have
to*
use the Increase Indent command and that tabs the old material in,
rather than prefix it only by the solid line.

Hmm... I was thinking that in order to avoid that tab effect and retain
the solid line I would have to insert my own end and begin BLOCKQUOTE
tags but I have just realized that all I needed to do was *use* the new
BLOCKQUOTE tags that the Increase Indent command generates
and then replace the new BLOCKQUOTE begin tag's *attributes*
with the attributes from one which prefixes the solid bar and doesn't tab.
That *is* much simpler! Thanks for making me find that.

Is there some other option I'm missing which would preserve/regenerate
the solid line otherwise?


Robert
---



steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags. I.e. a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
end tag will prefix your addition; a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
begin tag will resume the vertical line prefix for the text which
follows.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


When replying to some emails, the original sender's text ends up with a
vertical line on the left margin. If I want to intersperse my responses
with
their text, the line expands, instead of breaking, so it's hard to
differentiate original text from the response, unless I want to fool
around
with making mine a different color.

Is there a way to either make that line break, or get rid of it
entirely?

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to tweak
every email they send.


"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Well, I just tested this. OE puts a left border on every DIV it generates
when you reply, so other than the methods you describe, there doesn't seem
to be an easy way to get rid of the entire line.

However, if you don't want the line at all, then why do you have Indent on
reply checked under Tools | Options | Send | HTML settings?

steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

...
"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags.
...

Why edit the source? All you have to do is click on the decrease indent
tab
and the line goes away for the line you are on.


Note the portion of the sentence that I quoted? eg

I agree that the Decrease Indent command is an answer to the
portion that I didn't quote:
or get rid of it entirely?

I would also agree with suggesting that procedure *if* there was a way
to add the line back with the (ostensibly) reverse command,
Increase Indent but it is *not* the reverse of what the Decrease
Indent
does in that case. In fact, I can't even make Decrease Indent command
apply to just a selected portion of the text as you imply may be
possible.
If I select some text, that seems to be where the command starts to take
effect but it has no control over where it stops. Therefore if I am
inserting
new material and want to requote the portion under my insertion I *have
to*
use the Increase Indent command and that tabs the old material in,
rather than prefix it only by the solid line.

Hmm... I was thinking that in order to avoid that tab effect and retain
the solid line I would have to insert my own end and begin BLOCKQUOTE
tags but I have just realized that all I needed to do was *use* the new
BLOCKQUOTE tags that the Increase Indent command generates
and then replace the new BLOCKQUOTE begin tag's *attributes*
with the attributes from one which prefixes the solid bar and doesn't
tab.
That *is* much simpler! Thanks for making me find that.

Is there some other option I'm missing which would preserve/regenerate
the solid line otherwise?


Robert
---



steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
Is there a way to either make that line break

The only method that I have found is to use the Source pane
to bracket your new content with copies of the BLOCKQUOTE
end and begin tags. I.e. a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
end tag will prefix your addition; a copy of the original BLOCKQUOTE
begin tag will resume the vertical line prefix for the text which
follows.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


When replying to some emails, the original sender's text ends up with
a
vertical line on the left margin. If I want to intersperse my
responses
with
their text, the line expands, instead of breaking, so it's hard to
differentiate original text from the response, unless I want to fool
around
with making mine a different color.

Is there a way to either make that line break, or get rid of it
entirely?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to
tweak
every email they send.

Tools | Messages | Send | Mail Settings | HTML Settings | Indent Reply
(uncheck)

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"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to
tweak
every email they send.

Tools | Messages | Send | Mail Settings | HTML Settings | Indent Reply
(uncheck)

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE

Thanks, Frank. When that's unchecked, will Outlook then use the that
everyone loves to hate?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to
tweak
every email they send.

Tools | Messages | Send | Mail Settings | HTML Settings | Indent Reply
(uncheck)

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE

Thanks, Frank. When that's unchecked, will Outlook then use the that
everyone loves to hate?

Only in newsgroups and you can change it to : or | if you want.

I assume you are talking about Outlook *Express*, not Outlook.

Alias

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to
tweak
every email they send.

Tools | Messages | Send | Mail Settings | HTML Settings | Indent Reply
(uncheck)

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE

Thanks, Frank. When that's unchecked, will Outlook then use the that
everyone loves to hate?


I thought I had already indicated that option. If you use HTML messages,
then you won't get the carets (). If you have the setting under plain text
to indent messages on reply, then you will get the carets.

steve

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on
her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not
a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to
tweak
every email they send.

Tools | Messages | Send | Mail Settings | HTML Settings | Indent Reply
(uncheck)

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE

Thanks, Frank. When that's unchecked, will Outlook then use the that
everyone loves to hate?


I thought I had already indicated that option. If you use HTML messages,
then you won't get the carets (). If you have the setting under plain
text to indent messages on reply, then you will get the carets.

steve


OK.

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

The original suggestion works nicely. My other question is, can this
vertical line thing be STOPPED by an option the sender can change on
her
end? By "option" (and this is for Mr. Aldwinckle's benefit), I mean
something you switch ONCE and don't look at again for a long time. Not
a
tweak that's necessary for each sent email. Only crazy people want to
tweak
every email they send.

Tools | Messages | Send | Mail Settings | HTML Settings | Indent Reply
(uncheck)

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE

Thanks, Frank. When that's unchecked, will Outlook then use the that
everyone loves to hate?

Only in newsgroups and you can change it to : or | if you want.

I assume you are talking about Outlook *Express*, not Outlook.

Alias


No. I'm referring to a way for an Outlook user to send HTML e-mail (forget
newsgroups), without the vertical line, so respondents can insert responses
within her text. I've already found out how I, as a recipient of her
e-mails, can eliminate the vertical line when I respond to her.