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  #21  
Old January 26th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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But Normal style is *not* set to update automatically by default. This
problem is caused by an add-in.

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"TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message
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Example. You want to indent the first line
: of a paragraph. Logical action, place the cursor at the beginning of the
: line and press tab. In Word? Oh no! That indents the WHOLE paragraph!
: And that's the DEFAULT setting! And then you try to get it back to where
: it was in the first place. A real waste of time.


Gordon

What you have described above is NOT normal: it is because Normal Style

has
been set to automatically update. If you use Format, Style and select
Normal, you will see an Automatically Update check box that should be
cleared.

What you say about just writting letters and memos is also nonsense. Just
writing a letter more than a couple of times means that you are constantly
typing in your address, entering the current date and a signature block,
etc. All these repetitive actions are wasting your precious time. Spend

just
five minutes creating a personailised letter template and reap the

rewards:
you will never have to add your address or the current date again.

Take some time and learn to use Word's powerful features: it will save you
loads of repetetive work and make your output consistent, error free and
faster.

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  #22  
Old January 26th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Gordon
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I've been using Word for so long that of course I've customized it a good
bit, but whenever I get a new computer, I start from scratch with a clean
copy of Office, and I don't believe that indenting when you press Tab


well I've gone from office 97 through office 2000 and am now on office
XP, and currently, that is the default setting when I first installed
Office XP. (I've now turned it off, but it was indeed turned on by
default when the installation had completed)


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  #23  
Old January 26th, 2005, 06:31 PM
TF
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Gordon

Normal style is not set to Automatically update by default. Something else
(incompatible or malicious) on your computer has done that.

I agree with some of your points about the 'automation'. We have discussed
this with the developers - but there seems to be a bit of a Catch22 point
here. If the install has the automation turned off by default, then the
average user will never know about it and never reap its benefit. OTOH,
because a new user doesn't know what automation is active, all they see is
strange and unexpected affects. The 'turn on by default' party has won the
day!

Terry

"Gordon" wrote in message
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: TF wrote:
: Example. You want to indent the first line
: : of a paragraph. Logical action, place the cursor at the beginning of
the
: : line and press tab. In Word? Oh no! That indents the WHOLE paragraph!
: : And that's the DEFAULT setting! And then you try to get it back to
where
: : it was in the first place. A real waste of time.
:
:
: Gordon
:
: What you have described above is NOT normal: it is because Normal Style
has
: been set to automatically update.
: If you use Format, Style and select
: Normal, you will see an Automatically Update check box that should be
: cleared.
:
: But that's just my point - that is the the *DEFAULT* setting - unless
: you "undo" it, that's how Word is installed. At least with Office XP.
: You shouldn't have to "undo" a function that isn't needed and causes a
: lot of irritation - those who DO need it should be able to enable it,
: not the other way around.
:
:
: What you say about just writting letters and memos is also nonsense.
Just
: writing a letter more than a couple of times means that you are
constantly
: typing in your address, entering the current date and a signature block,
: etc. All these repetitive actions are wasting your precious time. Spend
just
: five minutes creating a personailised letter template and reap the
rewards:
: you will never have to add your address or the current date again.
:
: Take some time and learn to use Word's powerful features: it will save
you
: loads of repetetive work and make your output consistent, error free and
: faster.
:
: Don't quite know where you got that lot from in my post :-) - I can't
: see any mention of that! Of *course* I use templates etc,and have done
: in all the WP apps I've ever used, my point was that Word does some very
: illogical and unintuitive things which other WP apps do NOT - and the
: "average" user (and by that I *don't* mean secretaries, I mean those
: people to whom Word is not something that they use sufficiently
: frequently to warrant advanced training in all it's functions) finds
: these blips frustrating.
:
:
:
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: counting!)
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  #24  
Old January 26th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Gordon
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TF wrote:
Gordon

Normal style is not set to Automatically update by default. Something else
(incompatible or malicious) on your computer has done that.


A fresh install of office XP on a fresh XP install (before internet
connection) installed it turned on!


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Old January 26th, 2005, 06:38 PM
TF
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Gordon

I have to agree with you: I'm sure that the 'Tab' setting is one of those on
by default. I don't like it and turn it off immediately I install (along
with some of the other automations, the periscope, Keep Track of Formatting,
Prompt to Update Style and loads of others).

Terry

"Gordon" wrote in message
...
: Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
: I've been using Word for so long that of course I've customized it a
good
: bit, but whenever I get a new computer, I start from scratch with a
clean
: copy of Office, and I don't believe that indenting when you press Tab
:
: well I've gone from office 97 through office 2000 and am now on office
: XP, and currently, that is the default setting when I first installed
: Office XP. (I've now turned it off, but it was indeed turned on by
: default when the installation had completed)
:
:
: --
: Registered Linux User no 240308
: Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and
: counting!)
: gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk
: to email me remove the obvious!


  #26  
Old January 26th, 2005, 06:39 PM
TF
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True. It was unfair to call them non-standard. 'Alternative' would have been
a better choice. But have you listened to any Notes users!

Terry

"Gordon" wrote in message
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: TF wrote:
:
: I work for a company that provides IT management and support for SMEs
and I
: can absolutely guarantee you that the company with 200 users spread over
: several sites using a standard MS solution will spend a fraction on
support
: than a similar company that has splashed out on Linux, Novell, Notes and
: other non-standard solutions.
:
: Umm I wouldn't call Novell and Notes a "non-standard solution"!!! there
: are still a VERY large number of organisations using both.
:
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Old January 26th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Gordon
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TF wrote:
True. It was unfair to call them non-standard. 'Alternative' would have been
a better choice. But have you listened to any Notes users!


No but I was at one company that used Groupwise! Awful!


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Old January 26th, 2005, 09:41 PM
TF
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That was installed on freshly formatted disk? No chance that there was a
legacy normal.dot on it? I've never seen that happen before. What version of
Office is it: OEM, retail or licensed media?

Terry

"Gordon" wrote in message
...
: TF wrote:
: Gordon
:
: Normal style is not set to Automatically update by default. Something
else
: (incompatible or malicious) on your computer has done that.
:
: A fresh install of office XP on a fresh XP install (before internet
: connection) installed it turned on!
:
:
: --
: Registered Linux User no 240308
: Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and
: counting!)
: gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk
: to email me remove the obvious!


  #29  
Old January 26th, 2005, 09:57 PM
TF
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A couple of our customers use Groupwise: shudder!

Terry

"Gordon" wrote in message
...
: TF wrote:
: True. It was unfair to call them non-standard. 'Alternative' would have
been
: a better choice. But have you listened to any Notes users!
:
: No but I was at one company that used Groupwise! Awful!
:
:
: --
: Registered Linux User no 240308
: Just waiting for Broadband to complete the conversion!(4 weeks and
: counting!)
: gordonATgbpcomputingDOTcoDOTuk
: to email me remove the obvious!


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Old January 26th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Gordon
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TF wrote:
That was installed on freshly formatted disk? No chance that there was a
legacy normal.dot on it? I've never seen that happen before. What version of
Office is it: OEM, retail or licensed media?


It was a freshly formatted HDD. It's a promotional copy, that I got at a
seminar, and I've slipstreamed SP2 into it.

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