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"David R. Norton MVP" wrote...
"Harlan Grove" wrote in: .... Then your experience is either severely outdated or unrepresentative. No, you're just being argumentative. No, you're stating what most people, at least in the US and with some familiarity with computer stores in the US, would recognize as pure BS. The average computer store employee may know something about hardware, and they may know something about operating systems and game software, but in my experience they know nothing about MS Office nor anything about it's password protection. There may be B2B services with online databases available to service techs, but they'd be VERY EXPENSIVE. So all an IP thief would need to do is make a copy of a file, take it home, copy it onto his own PC, call the shop and tell them his impish nephew Bobby was playoing around on his PC and password protected his customer list? And that proves legal access how? Pretty hard to discuss anything with one who won't read or comprehend, we'll drop this one. But it's really not that difficult. I've read enough and comprehended enough to know you have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be unaware that on any machine that provides e-mail with file attachments, it's possible to fake ownership (in the OS sense) of any file that could be received via e-mail. So how would anyone be able to establish legal entitlement to unprotect a file before the fact? If it can't be proven, what's the point of paying someone to attempt this pointless task? . . . Everyone would like to have everything free, if that's not possible then you have to pay whatever the price might be. Given how much free software is available, it wasn't unreasonable for the OP to ask about free password crackers. They may not be available (though SLOW brute force code has been posted in the past in several Excel newsgroups). No, just to point out your very disturbing lack of morals. . . . Where have I advocated for breaking any laws? At most I've pointed out that certain laws are very easy to break. That's immoral or amoral? What I've written that you've failed to understand is that there are legitmate uses for password cracking. Claims for legitimate use for password cracking are more frequent than not, though I'll grant that claims aren't proof, but my own experience has led me to believe that most such requests are legitimate. If your experience is different, you gotta get some new friends. I'm done with you. We'll see. |
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"JoAnn Paules [MSFT MVP]" wrote...
Nope, just making a suggestion. Imposing my morals would be "Don't do that because ....." or "It's a sin to .....". I didn't do either - I just suggested that maybe they shouldn't be trying to break into the file. .... This is pure rhetorical cuteness. "I didn't say 'Don't do that.', I said 'Maybe you shouldn't do that.'" So maybe they should, too? You used oblique language to communicate the same message you're now claiming you didn't send. Without knowing the facts or asking questions to establish the facts (which would be all David's hypothetical Office-aware, house-calling computer store clerk could do), you assumed illicit intent. |
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"JE McGimpsey" wrote...
.... How does one sue a newsgroup, anyway? Where and to whom would the suit be served? .... Just a guess, but the existence of moderators in presumably proprietary newsgroups (e.g., starting with microsoft rather than comp or alt) could be enough to make the sponsor liable. A very good reason not to moderate. |
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In , Harlan Grove told us an
interesting story. My reply to this story is at the bottom of this message. I'm done with you. We'll see. *sigh* You are BOTH right AND you are BOTH wrong. But I'm not going to *plonk* you guys for that. At least you were polite, the both of you. Btw: You'd have to be a pretty stupid criminal to leave your traces on a fscking[0] Microsoft usenet server... So far nobody has mentioned that argument! [0] Pardon my French. -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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In , David R. Norton MVP
told us an interesting story. My reply to this story is at the bottom of this message. JE McGimpsey wrote in: In article , "David R. Norton MVP" wrote: And how many computer shop employees know how to remove passwords from Office documents? Every one I've ever encountered. You've asked at every computer shop? Or have you just not encountered many? As stated, everyone I've ever encountered. *snip* Hmmm...what authority is necessary? How do I know someone is "in authority"? Ridiculous comeback and you know it. *snip* You should all be ashamed of yourselves but I know you won't be... Don't bother replying, I'm done with you. Woohoo!!! MVP flame war!!!!! /ROTFLMAO/ Looks like all the good stuff happens when I'm on holiday. ;-) -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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In .com, Harlan
Grove told us an interesting story. My reply to this story is at the bottom of this message. Your argument is similar to saying that because handguns are often used to commit violent crimes, one should never tell anyone where the nearest gun shop is located, and besides it's illegal to buy .50 machine guns! About morality: (and off-topic) Terminating life is moral (or at least amoral) because some weird constitution allows the posession of deadly weapons. It's even shown on tv as entertainment. Weapons, brought to you by the guy who played the guy with the stone tablets that said Killing Isn't A Good Thing, Really. Creating life (sex) otoh is considered immoral. I'm confused, and I'm glad I'm a rightponder. -- Amedee Van Gasse |
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