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Payroll -- Is it even possible?!
I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate, but
the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work to see what they do. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... Hi I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other ask specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you to think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application. OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with Steve here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be an idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's. NOT saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he is right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that will cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take paid holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free (as they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc). So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have just looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start. OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared to sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this is a possibility. Good luck with your app -- Wayne Manchester, England. "Noëlla Gabriël" wrote: Hi, the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations are very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave (including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a vacation of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing packages before deciding on writing our own. -- Kind regards Noëlla "Brendan Reynolds" wrote: "REJesser" wrote in message news Good afternoon, I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating business. I need the database to contain: snip I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access payroll system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it. You can get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by experts in the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if you place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for 159 euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under those circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'. -- Brendan Reynolds |
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In reading my posting in this part of the thread I'm not sure I made it
clear I agree with you in principle. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... Hi I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other ask specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you to think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application. OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with Steve here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be an idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's. NOT saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he is right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that will cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take paid holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free (as they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc). So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have just looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start. OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared to sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this is a possibility. Good luck with your app -- Wayne Manchester, England. "Noëlla Gabriël" wrote: Hi, the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations are very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave (including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a vacation of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing packages before deciding on writing our own. -- Kind regards Noëlla "Brendan Reynolds" wrote: "REJesser" wrote in message news Good afternoon, I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating business. I need the database to contain: snip I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access payroll system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it. You can get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by experts in the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if you place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for 159 euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under those circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'. -- Brendan Reynolds |
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Payroll -- Is it even possible?!
Good morning,
Thank you all very much for the input. It is greatly appreciated. I guess I made this sound much more involved than it needs to be. I need to create something that can track the number of days a crewmember is at work. I would like to be able to go back up to 5 years to find out how many days the person worked, which boats they worked on, and how many days on the specific boat they worked. For example, Captain Popeye worked a total of 1000 days in the last five years as a wheelman (driver). He worked on the Titanic for 250 days, the Mayflower for 125 days, and the Super Ron (I couldn’t resist) for 625 days. Our company has a program (Great Plains) that deals with taxes and all that other stuff. I am the HR guy for the company. I basically need a glorified attendance sheet that I can assign pay rates to. I am sorry I made is sound much more complex than it actually is. Thanks for any help you can provide. As for Steve, thanks, but no thanks for your offer. |
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"REJesser" wrote in message
... I guess I made this sound much more involved than it needs to be. I need to create something that can track the number of days a crewmember is at work. I would like to be able to go back up to 5 years to find out how many days the person worked, which boats they worked on, and how many days on the specific boat they worked. For example, Captain Popeye worked a total of 1000 days in the last five years as a wheelman (driver). He worked on the Titanic for 250 days, the Mayflower for 125 days, and the Super Ron (I couldn’t resist) for 625 days. Our company has a program (Great Plains) that deals with taxes and all that other stuff. I am the HR guy for the company. I basically need a glorified attendance sheet that I can assign pay rates to. I am sorry I made is sound much more complex than it actually is. Thanks for any help you can provide. As for Steve, thanks, but no thanks for your offer. The first thing I would say is that you would derive the total number of hours worked and not store it. You would calculate it in a query. I would also store each crew member's details in a lookup table, you could then choose a crew member for a period of work to store in your main table. Each period of work would equate to one record in your main table where you would store start and end times/dates. You could then run a report against start and end dates for a given crew member to show what they were doing and when. This is all very high level stuff, I'm just trying to nudge you into the right direction ... as I said before, a look at the relationships in the Northwind example might help. Keith. www.keithwilby.co.uk |
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H Bruce
the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I think that is just Steve's way of "hooking" new cutomers. I also think that everyone on this forum knows that it would be quite a detailed project to start. But as I have never met Steve so (as my mum has alwasy told me to do) I will give him the benifit of doubt and assume that he can do a good job - but I still dis-agree with his idea of using this forum to advertise. There is a place for advertising, but (I thinktthat) most people come here for what they imagine will be free advice - or just a chat about access applications. "BruceM" wrote: I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate, but the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work to see what they do. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... Hi I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other ask specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you to think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application. OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with Steve here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be an idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's. NOT saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he is right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that will cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take paid holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free (as they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc). So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have just looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start. OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared to sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this is a possibility. Good luck with your app -- Wayne Manchester, England. "Noëlla Gabriël" wrote: Hi, the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations are very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave (including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a vacation of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing packages before deciding on writing our own. -- Kind regards Noëlla "Brendan Reynolds" wrote: "REJesser" wrote in message news Good afternoon, I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating business. I need the database to contain: snip I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access payroll system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it. You can get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by experts in the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if you place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for 159 euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under those circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'. -- Brendan Reynolds |
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Payroll -- Is it even possible?!
Steve has made some good suggestions from time to time, but I have to wonder
why he keeps thinking he can slip in a solicitation or two below the radar. Also, I tend not to trust the person who low-balls the competition unless they can make a good case for economy of scale or superior automation or some such objective criteria. Then again, Steve may lead a very economical or self-sufficient lifestyle that requires just a little cash from time to time. Could happen. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... H Bruce the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I think that is just Steve's way of "hooking" new cutomers. I also think that everyone on this forum knows that it would be quite a detailed project to start. But as I have never met Steve so (as my mum has alwasy told me to do) I will give him the benifit of doubt and assume that he can do a good job - but I still dis-agree with his idea of using this forum to advertise. There is a place for advertising, but (I thinktthat) most people come here for what they imagine will be free advice - or just a chat about access applications. "BruceM" wrote: I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate, but the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work to see what they do. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... Hi I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other ask specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you to think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application. OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with Steve here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be an idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's. NOT saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he is right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that will cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take paid holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free (as they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc). So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have just looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start. OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared to sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this is a possibility. Good luck with your app -- Wayne Manchester, England. "Noëlla Gabriël" wrote: Hi, the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations are very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave (including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a vacation of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing packages before deciding on writing our own. -- Kind regards Noëlla "Brendan Reynolds" wrote: "REJesser" wrote in message news Good afternoon, I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating business. I need the database to contain: snip I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access payroll system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it. You can get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by experts in the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if you place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for 159 euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under those circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'. -- Brendan Reynolds |
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It is not my intention to low-ball the competition. In fact I don't consider
anyone in the newsgroups competition. I am altruistic and believe in helping people. Had the Op's problem been a true payroll system, I would not have touched it. I saw an OP who had a "small" problem and simply offered to provide him a simple cheap solution. All responders here mistakenly thought the OP wanted a full-blown payroll system I did not. I have done umpteen small projects like this and everyone is happy. If you want to condemn anyone you ought to condemn people like Visio John, Arno R and Keith Wilby. They provide very little if any help to posters. There constant attacks are against the intent of the newsgroups. Steve "BruceM" bamoob_at_yawhodotcalm.not wrote in message ... Steve has made some good suggestions from time to time, but I have to wonder why he keeps thinking he can slip in a solicitation or two below the radar. Also, I tend not to trust the person who low-balls the competition unless they can make a good case for economy of scale or superior automation or some such objective criteria. Then again, Steve may lead a very economical or self-sufficient lifestyle that requires just a little cash from time to time. Could happen. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... H Bruce the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I think that is just Steve's way of "hooking" new cutomers. I also think that everyone on this forum knows that it would be quite a detailed project to start. But as I have never met Steve so (as my mum has alwasy told me to do) I will give him the benifit of doubt and assume that he can do a good job - but I still dis-agree with his idea of using this forum to advertise. There is a place for advertising, but (I thinktthat) most people come here for what they imagine will be free advice - or just a chat about access applications. "BruceM" wrote: I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate, but the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of project details. I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work to see what they do. "Wayne-I-M" wrote in message ... Hi I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other ask specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you to think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application. OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with Steve here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be an idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's. NOT saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he is right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that will cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take paid holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free (as they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc). So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have just looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start. OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared to sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this is a possibility. Good luck with your app -- Wayne Manchester, England. "Noëlla Gabriël" wrote: Hi, the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations are very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave (including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a vacation of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing packages before deciding on writing our own. -- Kind regards Noëlla "Brendan Reynolds" wrote: "REJesser" wrote in message news Good afternoon, I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating business. I need the database to contain: snip I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access payroll system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it. You can get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by experts in the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if you place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for 159 euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under those circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'. -- Brendan Reynolds |
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REJesser wrote:
I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating business. I need the database to contain: Employee Number (linked to Employee Table) Employee Name (linked to Employee Table) Rate of Pay (linked to Rate of Pay Table) Extra Pay Boat assigned to (linked to Vessel Information Table) Date FWIW I would call this a Time Keeping database and not a payroll database. I suspect that is causing some confusion to some of the posters here. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/ Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/ |
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"Steve" wrote in message
m... It is not my intention to low-ball the competition. You really do not get it. These newsgroups are for FREE help. How can you low ball FREE? In fact I don't consider anyone in the newsgroups competition. Considering your past demonstration of your "skills", you are definitely not competition. I am altruistic and believe in helping people. Not really the only one you are interested in helping is yourself. I have done umpteen small projects like this and everyone is happy. but they do not seem to want to come to your defense. Steve John... Visio MVP |
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