Where is the backup utility for Outlook 2010?

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On May 6, 2:10*pm, jimmy fallon
wrote:
Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it?

And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE?
It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have.
Anyone?

jf

The old MS-distributed Outlook backup utility does not work with
Outlook 2010. It installs OK and then shows properly in the add-in
section of the ribbon; however, the backup does not initiate as
specified (date and time). I tried to get it to work for a long time.

I've setup a workaround using a batch file--

"copy C:\users\katherine\appdata\local\microsoft\outlook \outlook.pst G:
\MSObackup /D /Y" It copies the outlook.pst file to a special folder
on another partition. The batch file has been setup to run every
morning at 10:00am (whether computer is in sleep mode ot not) using
the Win 7 Task Scheduler. End result is identical to the old Outlook
Backup utility.

LaModiste

For a free backup program to any media look at Karen's Replicator:
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp

For a free fast search program look at Everything:
http://www.voidtools.com/

Use Everything to find the file(s) to backup and the Replicator to do the job.

Replicator may be run manually or on a set schedule.

"jimmy fallon" wrote:

Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it?

And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE?
It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have.
Anyone?

jf

I agree 100% with you. I have the backup set to automatically backup daily.
If this feature is not available I will not install Outlook 2010 at this
time.

Yes I know where the PST file is located and could back up manually but why
should I have too!!!

"Steve Rindsberg" wrote in message
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In article , Bob I wrote:
Just because it isn't accomplished using the method you want, doesn't
mean it isn't happening.

Please read the following
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...d-restore.aspx

But is it smart enough to find your Outlook PST or do you once again need
to know
where Outlook has squirreled it away?

To say nothing of how you find a *.PST file when Windows defaults to
*hiding* the
PST extension from you and in some versions, at least, won't even cough it
up
during a search for *.PST when the extension's hidden?

I have to agree with Jimmy. I've been using computers happily enough
since the
early 80s. I've written software for most of that time, either for my own
use and
commercially and can navigate the file system in Windows, MSDOS, Mac and
*nix more
or less proficiently. I've just begun using Outlook in the last few
months and
though its great in many respects, I've found it to be the most
user-hostile app
I've ever done battle with when it comes to backing up and moving its
files
around, to say nothing of getting it to put the fool things where *I* want
them to
go today, not where it thinks I need to put them.

It really does want a Backup or at the very least, a simple File, Save As
command.

Yes, there's one of the latter on the menu. It lights up and grays out
according
to no pattern that I've yet discerned. I'm sure this will all be revealed
in time
too. But why should it not be simple?




Steve, finding the location of the .pst file is easy if you are using
Outlook 2007 or 2010 by clicking on File, Data File Management. In the
window that opens you will see Outlook or Outlook.pst in the Personal Folder
section and it will tell you exactly where the Outlook file is secured. Now
as Windows won't normally allow you to copy an open file, and Outlook.pst is
always open when Outlook is running, you can not back it up or copy it yet.
Note the location and then copy the file after closing Outlook.

Outlook also has an export function lower down in the file menu. It can
export many different types of files for import into other programs or even
creating a file for importing into Outlook.

The save as function is for saving only specific parts of the Outlook data
such as a calendar object or a note object, not the entire file.

.."The majority of...". "Live with it".
Gordon, to be honest you sound like a Microsoft employee"!

You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it
isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find
out what the customer wants and supply it. That's simply principles of good
business. But then, Microsoft isn't like "any other company" is it?

So the majority of Outlook users are in the corporate sector, eh? You could
well be right and that may only leave a cuppla hundred million who use it in
small business offices or for personal use, and geez, they have probably only
paid a mere $300 or $400 each for Office 2007. So why bother, when you're as
big as Microsoft, putting in a few man-hours in programming just to cater for
only a mere cuppla-hundred million, eh (nod-nod, wink-wink say no more)?.

"...and the GAL etc etc are all backed up daily from the server"

No need for THAT sort of talk in here. *LOL* Sorry... but we gotta loosen
up just a little here.


"jimmy fallon" wrote in message
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You all are truly living in outer space. Of course there should be a
backup
command for Outlook,

Why? As I said the VAST majority of Outlook usage occurs in a CORPORATE
environment, using Exchange Server where the mailboxes and the GAL etc etc
are all backed up daily from the server.
Does that scenario apply to Quickbooks? To Quicken? No it doesn't. Small
business accounting packages tend to be run on stand-alone machines without
server backup functions. THAT'S why those types of applications DO have a
backup function and Outlook doesn't.
Live with it.

.

"Kevryl" wrote in message
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."The majority of...". "Live with it".
Gordon, to be honest you sound like a Microsoft employee"!

Nope - just a retired Accountant.


You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it
isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find
out what the customer wants and supply it.

But ONLY if it's economically worthwhile. If for example the ratio of
Exchange seats to personal is something like 2000:1 then it's probably NOT
economically worthwhile to do so.
Just because a few private users are making a noise about it doesn't mean
that it is economically worthwhile to do so.

"Kevryl" wrote in message
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You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it
isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find
out what the customer wants and supply it. That's simply principles of
good
business. But then, Microsoft isn't like "any other company" is it?

To add to my reply - if Outlook had a built-in backup mechanism you would
then have to add in a function to allow IT depts to DISABLE it for the
millions of corporate users...many companies disable the use of pst files.

Steve, finding the location of the .pst file is easy if you are using
Outlook 2007 or 2010 by clicking on File, Data File Management. In the
window that opens you will see Outlook or Outlook.pst in the Personal Folder
section and it will tell you exactly where the Outlook file is secured. Now
as Windows won't normally allow you to copy an open file, and Outlook.pst is
always open when Outlook is running, you can not back it up or copy it yet.
Note the location and then copy the file after closing Outlook.

Yep, *I* know all of that. And have even worked out how to make various
versions of Outlook put the PST where *I* want it (talk about a struggle that
should've been a two minute proposition and took hours).

But try explaining all of that to a newbie, when a simple Save As menu item
would have obviated the need.

Outlook also has an export function lower down in the file menu. It can
export many different types of files for import into other programs or even
creating a file for importing into Outlook.

But none of the options allow the obvious: Export all of my stuff to a
different PST file so that nothing's lost.

The save as function is for saving only specific parts of the Outlook data
such as a calendar object or a note object, not the entire file.

OK, thanks. That makes it make a bit more sense. But again, why not the entire
file as an option?

In article , Gordon wrote:
"Kevryl" wrote in message
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You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it
isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find
out what the customer wants and supply it. That's simply principles of
good
business. But then, Microsoft isn't like "any other company" is it?

To add to my reply - if Outlook had a built-in backup mechanism you would
then have to add in a function to allow IT depts to DISABLE it for the
millions of corporate users...many companies disable the use of pst files.

Give the IT people another group policy setting for that, like there is for
nearly anything else they'd want to lock down. No big deal.

Supplying needed features and supplying a means for disabling them will
satisfy more users than not supplying the features at all.

Windows 7: Click Start, Type "Backup", press enter. Click "Back up Now".

Vista: Click Start, Type "Backup", press enter. Click "Back up Files".

Windows XP: Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools | Backup | Next,
Next, Next, Next....tell it to back up All information, specify your backup
location, Next, Next, Finish....

Of course, this is all irrelevant because you're already a regularly
scheduled full backup of your data anyhow, aren't you?

You're welcome.

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
http://www.officeforlawyers.com/outlook.htm
Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007:
http://tinyurl.com/ol4law-amazon

"jimmy fallon" wrote in message
...
Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it?

And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE?
It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have.
Anyone?

jf

You don't have to. You're doing a regular backup of all your data anyhow,
aren't you? Doesn't that include your Outlook data?

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
http://www.officeforlawyers.com/outlook.htm
Author: The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007:
http://tinyurl.com/ol4law-amazon

"curlysir" wrote in message
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"jimmy fallon" wrote:

Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it?

And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE?
It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have.
Anyone?

jf

I agree 100% with you. I have the backup set to automatically backup
daily.
If this feature is not available I will not install Outlook 2010 at this
time.

Yes I know where the PST file is located and could back up manually but
why
should I have too!!!