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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
Folks have recommended various sites to replace this (Access) newsgroup for
when poor-listener Microsoft drops it. Why don't we pick a replacement to give it the "critical mass" to fully replace this one? If interested, please respond to this with your recommendation. Also, if you feel like it, in case this goes dead, send me an email with your email address at North9000 at gmail dot com and I'll try to collect / send out the news/results. (via blind cc) I did / will be duplicating this in database design, general and new user Access groups. |
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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
Responded to this request in "microsoft.public.access". Had you posted via
newsreader-newsserver instead of the Microsoft online UI, you could have cross-posted instead of multi-posting, so all the responses would be proliferated to all the cross-posted newsgroups. -- Larry Linson, Microsoft Office Access MVP Co-author: "Microsoft Access Small Business Solutions", published by Wiley Access newsgroup support is alive and well in USENET comp.databases.ms-access "Fred" wrote in message ... Folks have recommended various sites to replace this (Access) newsgroup for when poor-listener Microsoft drops it. Why don't we pick a replacement to give it the "critical mass" to fully replace this one? If interested, please respond to this with your recommendation. Also, if you feel like it, in case this goes dead, send me an email with your email address at North9000 at gmail dot com and I'll try to collect / send out the news/results. (via blind cc) I did / will be duplicating this in database design, general and new user Access groups. |
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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
Yeah, I think MS is not taking into account all the people like me that just
read and learn and don't necessarily post a lot of questions... I vote for comp.database.access or http://www.utteraccess.com/ Haven't used the utteraccess yet, but signed up and have started reading some of the posts... -- Albert S. "Fred" wrote: Folks have recommended various sites to replace this (Access) newsgroup for when poor-listener Microsoft drops it. Why don't we pick a replacement to give it the "critical mass" to fully replace this one? If interested, please respond to this with your recommendation. Also, if you feel like it, in case this goes dead, send me an email with your email address at North9000 at gmail dot com and I'll try to collect / send out the news/results. (via blind cc) I did / will be duplicating this in database design, general and new user Access groups. |
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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:03:55 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
Will the replacement one connect to Microsoft? THIS one won't, that's for certain. The Microsoft forums will be run on Microsoft's own hardware, so yes; they won't propagate to USENET however. If not, why not continue with this one, which already has critical mass? People coming from the Microsoft "get online help" buttons in the programs will not know about these newsgroups, and will not have any way from within Microsoft's software to get to them, so these newsgroups will probably dwindle to a small subset of sophisticated, experienced users, contending for bandwidth with spammers and trolls. The bulk of the "new questions" will, I fear, go elsewhere. -- John W. Vinson [MVP] |
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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
=?Utf-8?B?QWxiZXJ0IFMu?= wrote in
: I vote for comp.database.access or http://www.utteraccess.com/ Haven't used the utteraccess yet, but signed up and have started reading some of the posts... Utteraccess is a private site and if you violate the arbitrary rules of the admins there, you can be banned (as I was, for saying that somebody's answer was bloody stupid and then explaining why; you can't find that answer there now, because they deleted it after they banned me for not apologizing!). -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 04:44:22 -0500, Rick Brandt
wrote: People coming from the Microsoft "get online help" buttons in the programs will not know about these newsgroups, and will not have any way from within Microsoft's software to get to them, so these newsgroups will probably dwindle to a small subset of sophisticated, experienced users, contending for bandwidth with spammers and trolls. The bulk of the "new questions" will, I fear, go elsewhere. I for one expect to see the quality of topics rise considerably. Sure; it'll deprive a lot of new users of the program of the tutelage from those experts who abandon these groups, though. They'll be pulled into the Social forum and it's to be seen who will be providing help there. -- John W. Vinson [MVP] |
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Let's pick a replacement for this (Access) newsgroup
"David W. Fenton" wrote
I vote for comp.database.access or http://www.utteraccess.com/ Haven't used the utteraccess yet, but signed up and have started reading some of the posts... Utteraccess is a private site and if you violate the arbitrary rules of the admins there, you can be banned (as I was, for saying that somebody's answer was bloody stupid and then explaining why; you can't find that answer there now, because they deleted it after they banned me for not apologizing!). That said, there are some very competent people who answer questions at UtterAccess, many of them MVPs. A significant percentage of new MVPs in recent years were first identified by their work at UtterAccess. Now, _that_ said, I have only ever just visited that site, and known some people who post there, possibly even the moderator(s) who banned David. One of the reasons that I don't post there is that I don't want to deal with somebody else's idea of what I should say and how I should say it, no matter how nice they may be in person, nor how good they are with the subject at hand. Larry Linson, Microsoft Office Access MVP |
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John W. Vinson wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:03:55 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: Will the replacement one connect to Microsoft? THIS one won't, that's for certain. The Microsoft forums will be run on Microsoft's own hardware, so yes; they won't propagate to USENET however. If not, why not continue with this one, which already has critical mass? People coming from the Microsoft "get online help" buttons in the programs will not know about these newsgroups, and will not have any way from within Microsoft's software to get to them, so these newsgroups will probably dwindle to a small subset of sophisticated, experienced users, contending for bandwidth with spammers and trolls. The bulk of the "new questions" will, I fear, go elsewhere. I for one expect to see the quality of topics rise considerably. |
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"Access Developer" wrote in
: Now, _that_ said, I have only ever just visited that site, and known some people who post there, possibly even the moderator(s) who banned David. One of the reasons that I don't post there is that I don't want to deal with somebody else's idea of what I should say and how I should say it, no matter how nice they may be in person, nor how good they are with the subject at hand. The problem I had was that the people doing the banning do not understand the English language. One in particular thought the word "bloody" was a reference to menstruation. Nor did the moderators understand the difference between calling someone's words stupid and calling the person posting them stupid. Had I done that latter, I would have apologized. This shows me that non-smart people are making the decisions there, and thus, I feel satisfied that I was banned, since I did not fit their idea of the kind of people they want contributing to their site. That is, of course, the problem with all centralized sites. The owners of the site can ban you for arbitrary reasons. That's why the MS move to bring all their forums into their own servers is a bad move, because it's no longer open, and raises the possibility that MS could remove any content unfavorable to them or their products. On Usenet, that's simply not possible. And that's one of many reasons why Usenet is the vastly superior venue for this kind of thing. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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David
I was not aware that your posts were banned from UtterAccess, so I don't have a dog in that fight... I'll point out that if you have something to say and you wish folks to listen, telling them that their ideas are stupid is counterproductive. .... and unless you also went on to describe the likely outcomes of using that (stupid) idea, and offer a solution of your own, your approach didn't expand the body of knowledge. I've been quite impressed with the ideas/approaches you've provided, so it IS personal ... I like them! ... the delivery, however... sucks (NOTE ... Tongue-in-Cheek, Just-A-Joke, illustrating my point ...G!). Regards Jeff Boyce "David W. Fenton" wrote in message 36.91... "Access Developer" wrote in : Now, _that_ said, I have only ever just visited that site, and known some people who post there, possibly even the moderator(s) who banned David. One of the reasons that I don't post there is that I don't want to deal with somebody else's idea of what I should say and how I should say it, no matter how nice they may be in person, nor how good they are with the subject at hand. The problem I had was that the people doing the banning do not understand the English language. One in particular thought the word "bloody" was a reference to menstruation. Nor did the moderators understand the difference between calling someone's words stupid and calling the person posting them stupid. Had I done that latter, I would have apologized. This shows me that non-smart people are making the decisions there, and thus, I feel satisfied that I was banned, since I did not fit their idea of the kind of people they want contributing to their site. That is, of course, the problem with all centralized sites. The owners of the site can ban you for arbitrary reasons. That's why the MS move to bring all their forums into their own servers is a bad move, because it's no longer open, and raises the possibility that MS could remove any content unfavorable to them or their products. On Usenet, that's simply not possible. And that's one of many reasons why Usenet is the vastly superior venue for this kind of thing. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
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