Changing Header

Hi,

Is it possible to do a dictionary type header using the {StyleRef} field
with two different style types applied. I need some entries to be italicized
and others not.

Tom

Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Is it possible to do a dictionary type header using the {StyleRef} field
with two different style types applied. I need some entries to be italicized
and others not.

Could you elaborate which entries you want in italics and which not? We
ought to know how *you* determin this before being able to come up with
an "algorithm" for Word.

Greetinx
..bob
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Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do not.

Thanks
Tom

"Robert M. Franz" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Is it possible to do a dictionary type header using the {StyleRef} field
with two different style types applied. I need some entries to be
italicized
and others not.

Could you elaborate which entries you want in italics and which not? We
ought to know how *you* determin this before being able to come up with
an "algorithm" for Word.

Greetinx
.bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word

Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do not.

I had a vague idea about formatting that carries over through the
STYLEREF field, but some tests showed that the only thing that does get
transported is -- hidden (which is of no use in this case).

Sorry, I don't see a good way.

Greetinx
..bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
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That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll either have to do a section break
between every page or else manually create headers on every page. What a
bore. I know it in some ways defeats the idea of a header but I would be
nice to be able to tweak a header from those around it without so much
hassle.

Tom

"Robert M. Franz" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do not.

I had a vague idea about formatting that carries over through the
STYLEREF field, but some tests showed that the only thing that does get
transported is -- hidden (which is of no use in this case).

Sorry, I don't see a good way.

Greetinx
.bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
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This really is a weakness. I think I'll escalate this onto the wish list for
a future version of Word. You wouldn't want to pick up style formatting, but
I would think you would always want to pick up direct formatting.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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"Tom Toews" wrote in message
...
That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll either have to do a section
break
between every page or else manually create headers on every page. What a
bore. I know it in some ways defeats the idea of a header but I would be
nice to be able to tweak a header from those around it without so much
hassle.

Tom

"Robert M. Franz" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do not.

I had a vague idea about formatting that carries over through the
STYLEREF field, but some tests showed that the only thing that does get
transported is -- hidden (which is of no use in this case).

Sorry, I don't see a good way.

Greetinx
.bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
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Sounds good.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This really is a weakness. I think I'll escalate this onto the wish list
for
a future version of Word. You wouldn't want to pick up style formatting,
but
I would think you would always want to pick up direct formatting.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Tom Toews" wrote in message
...
That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll either have to do a section
break
between every page or else manually create headers on every page. What a
bore. I know it in some ways defeats the idea of a header but I would be
nice to be able to tweak a header from those around it without so much
hassle.

Tom

"Robert M. Franz" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do
not.

I had a vague idea about formatting that carries over through the
STYLEREF field, but some tests showed that the only thing that does
get
transported is -- hidden (which is of no use in this case).

Sorry, I don't see a good way.

Greetinx
.bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word

I would want to be able to pick up character styles or direct formatting (or
not). I would want to be able to choose, though.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This really is a weakness. I think I'll escalate this onto the wish list
for
a future version of Word. You wouldn't want to pick up style formatting,
but
I would think you would always want to pick up direct formatting.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Tom Toews" wrote in message
...
That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll either have to do a section
break
between every page or else manually create headers on every page. What a
bore. I know it in some ways defeats the idea of a header but I would be
nice to be able to tweak a header from those around it without so much
hassle.

Tom

"Robert M. Franz" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do
not.

I had a vague idea about formatting that carries over through the
STYLEREF field, but some tests showed that the only thing that does
get
transported is -- hidden (which is of no use in this case).

Sorry, I don't see a good way.

Greetinx
.bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
X Against HTML | for
/ \ in e-mail & news | Word

Agreed. What I suggested was a field-specific switch. The infuriating thing
is that the one type of direct formatting that you *don't* want to pick up
(Hidden) is the only one it does pick up.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote in
message ...
I would want to be able to pick up character styles or direct formatting
(or
not). I would want to be able to choose, though.
--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
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and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This really is a weakness. I think I'll escalate this onto the wish list
for
a future version of Word. You wouldn't want to pick up style formatting,
but
I would think you would always want to pick up direct formatting.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Tom Toews" wrote in message
...
That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll either have to do a section
break
between every page or else manually create headers on every page. What
a
bore. I know it in some ways defeats the idea of a header but I would
be
nice to be able to tweak a header from those around it without so much
hassle.

Tom

"Robert M. Franz" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Tom Toews wrote:
Journal names etc. need to be italicized while most all others do
not.

I had a vague idea about formatting that carries over through the
STYLEREF field, but some tests showed that the only thing that does
get
transported is -- hidden (which is of no use in this case).

Sorry, I don't see a good way.

Greetinx
.bob
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS
\ / | MVP
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:09:37 -0400, "Tom Toews" wrote:

Hi,

Is it possible to do a dictionary type header using the {StyleRef} field
with two different style types applied. I need some entries to be italicized
and others not.

Tom


As an exercise, I can think of a couple ways that might do this, but
they are probably a lot more trouble than you want.

Scheme 1:

Tag each entry. Put a single letter in another style (call it JTAG for
example) formatted as 1 point white text next to every occurrence of
your real style (call that Entry for example). The tags next to the
journals should be "J"; the tags next to the other entries should be
something else. In the header put something like this pseudocode:

{IF {styleref JTAG} = "J" "{Styleref "Entry" /*Italic}" "{Styleref
"Entry" }"}

Maintaining the tags would be a nightmare.

Scheme 2:

Get a friend (or pay someone e.g. Dieter Steffmann of Typographer
Mediengestaltung does good stuff) to make a special font that has
italic letters in some of the upper character positions. Use this font
for your Entries and for the STYLEREF fields in the headers. Job done.

You could convert your current text by using a find-and-replace macro
to change normal-Entry to the special font and italic-Entry to the odd
character positions.

The real problem is getting the special font.

There are probably other ways, probably equally unpalatable.

Bob S