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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
Hello All,
When I loaded a document to OpenOffice Writer and wanted to add annotation text immediately after some words, I found it difficult to easily insert annotation text with another formatting to multiple positions of the original text. Suppose the original text is formatted with Times New Roman, Unbold: aaa bbb ccc ddd eee fff ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. And I want to append annotations "123", "456", "789" formatted with Arial Bold to the words "bbb", "ddd", "fff" in the original text, to make it like this: aaa bbb [123] ccc ddd [456] eee fff [789] ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. Here [ ] means the enclosed text is formatted with Arial Bold, a different formatting from that of the original text. In practice I want to annotate for much more words than the above simplified example. What makes my task difficult is that all WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rich text editors (Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, Wordpad, etc.) apply the formatting of the current selection point as you type. To change the formatting of the current selection point, you have to do extra clicks or keyboard shortcuts. And when you move the selection point to another position, the current formatting automatically changes according to the new position. This behavior may be useful in general, but I suggest rich text editors to allow a new formatting mode - that is to say, once you choose a formatting, all subsequent inputs will use this formatting, regardless where you input. I call this new mode "Pen Mode", because it is like choosing a new pen of another color/size and writing anywhere in the document without having to reset to this formatting again and again. Best Regards, Yao Ziyuan http://babelcode.crazylife.org |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
Hi Yao,
If you insert an annotation (= comments) anywhere, Word will automatically apply the "Comment Text" style. So it already works as you propose? If you don't want to use Word's annotation mechanism, you can use your own character or paragraph style for annotations, and assign a keyboard shortcut for it. Not that I don't understand your "pen mode" concept, but I think it would be confusing. If I put the cursor somewhere in some text, I expect that what I type will appear in the style that's applied to that text. Regards, Klaus "Booted Cat" wrote: Hello All, When I loaded a document to OpenOffice Writer and wanted to add annotation text immediately after some words, I found it difficult to easily insert annotation text with another formatting to multiple positions of the original text. Suppose the original text is formatted with Times New Roman, Unbold: aaa bbb ccc ddd eee fff ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. And I want to append annotations "123", "456", "789" formatted with Arial Bold to the words "bbb", "ddd", "fff" in the original text, to make it like this: aaa bbb [123] ccc ddd [456] eee fff [789] ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. Here [ ] means the enclosed text is formatted with Arial Bold, a different formatting from that of the original text. In practice I want to annotate for much more words than the above simplified example. What makes my task difficult is that all WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rich text editors (Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, Wordpad, etc.) apply the formatting of the current selection point as you type. To change the formatting of the current selection point, you have to do extra clicks or keyboard shortcuts. And when you move the selection point to another position, the current formatting automatically changes according to the new position. This behavior may be useful in general, but I suggest rich text editors to allow a new formatting mode - that is to say, once you choose a formatting, all subsequent inputs will use this formatting, regardless where you input. I call this new mode "Pen Mode", because it is like choosing a new pen of another color/size and writing anywhere in the document without having to reset to this formatting again and again. Best Regards, Yao Ziyuan http://babelcode.crazylife.org |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
Hi,
My example is just a simplified one, using aaa bbb and so on to represent actual English words. Word Heretic wrote in message . .. G'day (Booted Cat), One simple way to achieve this is to use an invisible table, tab to move between entries, and style the columns of the table appropriately. Steve Hudson - Word Heretic Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment) Booted Cat reckoned: Hello All, When I loaded a document to OpenOffice Writer and wanted to add annotation text immediately after some words, I found it difficult to easily insert annotation text with another formatting to multiple positions of the original text. Suppose the original text is formatted with Times New Roman, Unbold: aaa bbb ccc ddd eee fff ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. And I want to append annotations "123", "456", "789" formatted with Arial Bold to the words "bbb", "ddd", "fff" in the original text, to make it like this: aaa bbb [123] ccc ddd [456] eee fff [789] ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. Here [ ] means the enclosed text is formatted with Arial Bold, a different formatting from that of the original text. In practice I want to annotate for much more words than the above simplified example. What makes my task difficult is that all WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rich text editors (Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, Wordpad, etc.) apply the formatting of the current selection point as you type. To change the formatting of the current selection point, you have to do extra clicks or keyboard shortcuts. And when you move the selection point to another position, the current formatting automatically changes according to the new position. This behavior may be useful in general, but I suggest rich text editors to allow a new formatting mode - that is to say, once you choose a formatting, all subsequent inputs will use this formatting, regardless where you input. I call this new mode "Pen Mode", because it is like choosing a new pen of another color/size and writing anywhere in the document without having to reset to this formatting again and again. Best Regards, Yao Ziyuan http://babelcode.crazylife.org |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
Hi,
"Klaus Linke" wrote in message ... Hi Yao, If you insert an annotation (= comments) anywhere, Word will automatically apply the "Comment Text" style. So it already works as you propose? Word's Insert|Annotation command inserts annotations on the right side of the original document, so it isn't very intuitive. And it isn't a formatting tool. And to insert an annotation you have to choose the menu or do some shortcut, not very convenient for frequent annotation insertions. If you don't want to use Word's annotation mechanism, you can use your own character or paragraph style for annotations, and assign a keyboard shortcut for it. Even one extra keystroke seems wasteful before inputting each new annotation. Not that I don't understand your "pen mode" concept, but I think it would be confusing. If I put the cursor somewhere in some text, I expect that what I type will appear in the style that's applied to that text. Pen Mode is mainly intended for annotating on someone else's work, so it's not very likely that modifying existing text is needed. Regards, Klaus Anyway, I've submitted it as a new feature to OpenOffice's bug report system... "Booted Cat" wrote: Hello All, When I loaded a document to OpenOffice Writer and wanted to add annotation text immediately after some words, I found it difficult to easily insert annotation text with another formatting to multiple positions of the original text. Suppose the original text is formatted with Times New Roman, Unbold: aaa bbb ccc ddd eee fff ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. And I want to append annotations "123", "456", "789" formatted with Arial Bold to the words "bbb", "ddd", "fff" in the original text, to make it like this: aaa bbb [123] ccc ddd [456] eee fff [789] ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. Here [ ] means the enclosed text is formatted with Arial Bold, a different formatting from that of the original text. In practice I want to annotate for much more words than the above simplified example. What makes my task difficult is that all WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rich text editors (Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, Wordpad, etc.) apply the formatting of the current selection point as you type. To change the formatting of the current selection point, you have to do extra clicks or keyboard shortcuts. And when you move the selection point to another position, the current formatting automatically changes according to the new position. This behavior may be useful in general, but I suggest rich text editors to allow a new formatting mode - that is to say, once you choose a formatting, all subsequent inputs will use this formatting, regardless where you input. I call this new mode "Pen Mode", because it is like choosing a new pen of another color/size and writing anywhere in the document without having to reset to this formatting again and again. Best Regards, Yao Ziyuan http://babelcode.crazylife.org |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
Word's Insert|Annotation command inserts annotations
on the right side of the original document, so it isn't very intuitive. You can also have comments appear as screen tips (popups that appear if you hover with the mouse over annotated text) and/or in a comment pane below the document. Anyway, I've submitted it as a new feature to OpenOffice's bug report system... You can mail it to , too. If a document is protected against editing, and only comments are allowed, anything you type could be turned into a comment automatically... no additional shortcut is in principle necessary. OTOH, things would get confusing if some sections are protected against editing while others are not. The comments could optionally be shown inline (the way you would prefer them, but currently not possible), or in the margin, or in the comment pane. OTOH, inline comments might be hard to see, depending on the formatting, and you would need a new additional control to easily show/hide them (analogous to the way hidden text or field codes can be shown/hidden). Maybe I'm a bit defensive... I'd just like if the way Word works stays consistent and easy to understand .... and the "pen mode" and inline comments would be two more features that users would have to learn :-/ Regards, Klaus |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
I could see "Pen Mode" being useful, but I think we kinda already have
it--if you turn on Track Changes and type in the text, all annotations will show up in a different format. There's no reason the person being reviewed can't just read that and skip the Accept/Reject changes part. I've commented papers that way before, and students were fine with it. But maybe I'm missing something? I'm coming late to this discussion. DM "Booted Cat" wrote: Hi, "Klaus Linke" wrote in message ... Hi Yao, If you insert an annotation (= comments) anywhere, Word will automatically apply the "Comment Text" style. So it already works as you propose? Word's Insert|Annotation command inserts annotations on the right side of the original document, so it isn't very intuitive. And it isn't a formatting tool. And to insert an annotation you have to choose the menu or do some shortcut, not very convenient for frequent annotation insertions. If you don't want to use Word's annotation mechanism, you can use your own character or paragraph style for annotations, and assign a keyboard shortcut for it. Even one extra keystroke seems wasteful before inputting each new annotation. Not that I don't understand your "pen mode" concept, but I think it would be confusing. If I put the cursor somewhere in some text, I expect that what I type will appear in the style that's applied to that text. Pen Mode is mainly intended for annotating on someone else's work, so it's not very likely that modifying existing text is needed. Regards, Klaus Anyway, I've submitted it as a new feature to OpenOffice's bug report system... "Booted Cat" wrote: Hello All, When I loaded a document to OpenOffice Writer and wanted to add annotation text immediately after some words, I found it difficult to easily insert annotation text with another formatting to multiple positions of the original text. Suppose the original text is formatted with Times New Roman, Unbold: aaa bbb ccc ddd eee fff ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. And I want to append annotations "123", "456", "789" formatted with Arial Bold to the words "bbb", "ddd", "fff" in the original text, to make it like this: aaa bbb [123] ccc ddd [456] eee fff [789] ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. Here [ ] means the enclosed text is formatted with Arial Bold, a different formatting from that of the original text. In practice I want to annotate for much more words than the above simplified example. What makes my task difficult is that all WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rich text editors (Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, Wordpad, etc.) apply the formatting of the current selection point as you type. To change the formatting of the current selection point, you have to do extra clicks or keyboard shortcuts. And when you move the selection point to another position, the current formatting automatically changes according to the new position. This behavior may be useful in general, but I suggest rich text editors to allow a new formatting mode - that is to say, once you choose a formatting, all subsequent inputs will use this formatting, regardless where you input. I call this new mode "Pen Mode", because it is like choosing a new pen of another color/size and writing anywhere in the document without having to reset to this formatting again and again. Best Regards, Yao Ziyuan http://babelcode.crazylife.org |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
But maybe I'm missing something?
No!! I wanted to suggest that, too, and then forgot. Though it may be a bit dangerous to "misuse" track changes for making annotations. I routinely "accept all changes" when I get documents from others, because many people forget to do that. This would turn the "comments" into regular text. (BTW, I like the idea of "inline comments" less and less the longer I think about it. For example, it would be impossible to annotate objects/pictures, or numbers/stuff in narrow table cells) Regards, Klaus "Dayo Mitchell" wrote: I could see "Pen Mode" being useful, but I think we kinda already have it--if you turn on Track Changes and type in the text, all annotations will show up in a different format. There's no reason the person being reviewed can't just read that and skip the Accept/Reject changes part. I've commented papers that way before, and students were fine with it. But maybe I'm missing something? I'm coming late to this discussion. DM "Booted Cat" wrote: Hi, "Klaus Linke" wrote in message ... Hi Yao, If you insert an annotation (= comments) anywhere, Word will automatically apply the "Comment Text" style. So it already works as you propose? Word's Insert|Annotation command inserts annotations on the right side of the original document, so it isn't very intuitive. And it isn't a formatting tool. And to insert an annotation you have to choose the menu or do some shortcut, not very convenient for frequent annotation insertions. If you don't want to use Word's annotation mechanism, you can use your own character or paragraph style for annotations, and assign a keyboard shortcut for it. Even one extra keystroke seems wasteful before inputting each new annotation. Not that I don't understand your "pen mode" concept, but I think it would be confusing. If I put the cursor somewhere in some text, I expect that what I type will appear in the style that's applied to that text. Pen Mode is mainly intended for annotating on someone else's work, so it's not very likely that modifying existing text is needed. Regards, Klaus Anyway, I've submitted it as a new feature to OpenOffice's bug report system... "Booted Cat" wrote: Hello All, When I loaded a document to OpenOffice Writer and wanted to add annotation text immediately after some words, I found it difficult to easily insert annotation text with another formatting to multiple positions of the original text. Suppose the original text is formatted with Times New Roman, Unbold: aaa bbb ccc ddd eee fff ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. And I want to append annotations "123", "456", "789" formatted with Arial Bold to the words "bbb", "ddd", "fff" in the original text, to make it like this: aaa bbb [123] ccc ddd [456] eee fff [789] ggg hhh iii jjj kkk. Here [ ] means the enclosed text is formatted with Arial Bold, a different formatting from that of the original text. In practice I want to annotate for much more words than the above simplified example. What makes my task difficult is that all WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) rich text editors (Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, Wordpad, etc.) apply the formatting of the current selection point as you type. To change the formatting of the current selection point, you have to do extra clicks or keyboard shortcuts. And when you move the selection point to another position, the current formatting automatically changes according to the new position. This behavior may be useful in general, but I suggest rich text editors to allow a new formatting mode - that is to say, once you choose a formatting, all subsequent inputs will use this formatting, regardless where you input. I call this new mode "Pen Mode", because it is like choosing a new pen of another color/size and writing anywhere in the document without having to reset to this formatting again and again. Best Regards, Yao Ziyuan http://babelcode.crazylife.org |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
Hi Klaus
Klaus Linke wrote: [..] (BTW, I like the idea of "inline comments" less and less the longer I think about it. For example, it would be impossible to annotate objects/pictures, or numbers/stuff in narrow table cells) Comments, but not inline: What about (mis-)using footnotes ...? 2cents ..bob -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word |
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A new idea for WYSIWYG rich text editors
"Robert M. Franz" wrote:
Hi Klaus Klaus Linke wrote: [..] (BTW, I like the idea of "inline comments" less and less the longer I think about it. For example, it would be impossible to annotate objects/pictures, or numbers/stuff in narrow table cells) Comments, but not inline: What about (mis-)using footnotes ...? Might as well use Comments, no? They show up the same way, pretty much--mouseover popups or in my version, you can click View | Comments to get them to show up in a Comment pane at the bottom in Normal view, just as footnotes do. Because every doc I edit has footnotes already! Actually, my problem was that you can't insert a Comment in reference to a footnote. Apparently the developers don't think footnotes would need comments? Dayo |
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