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August 26th, 2008, 05:14 AM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
Hi,
I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3  ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy. 
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August 26th, 2008, 06:22 AM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear)
No. I don't completely understand your requirements, but based on what you posted I am going to assume the following; A Group can have many Patients but a Patient can only be part of one Group. (1:m relationship) A Patient can take one or many Tests, and any given type of Test can be administered to more than one Patient. (m:m relationship - so you need a junction table to define it) An individual Test can have one or many results (another 1:m relationship) I don't know how Sponsors fit into the picture, so I will ignore that for now. One thing to keep in mind here is that "Dipstick", "Pregnancy Test" and "Papsmear" are only *types* of tests. An actual test is a certain type of test given to a certain Patient on a certain date, so you should also have a table for Test Types. An example table structure; tblGroups ******* GroupID (Primary Key) GroupDescription other fields related to specifically to a group tblPatients ******** PatientID (PK) GroupID (Foreign Key to tblGroups) FirstName LastName MI BirthDate other fields related specifically to a patient tblTestTypes ********** TestTypeID (PK) TypeDescription tblLabTests (this would be the junction table for Patients/Test Types) ******** LabTestID (PK) PatientID (FK to tblPatients) TestTypeID (FK to tblTestTypes) TestDate tblTestResults ********** ResultID (PK) LabTestID (FK to tblLabTests) Description Then when you create your form you would, for example, have a main form based on tblPatients (or a query thereof) with two subforms.The first subform would show all the tests that patient has taken and the second subform would show the results of each of those tests. -- _________ Sean Bailey "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy.
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#3
August 26th, 2008, 05:13 PM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
Hi Sylvie--
You wrote: I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'll chime in and add a bit to what Beetle suggested. By adding (PK - primary Key) and (FK - foreign key) Beetle gave you the necessary details to define your relationships, but Access doesn't do the relationships for you. From the menu bar select Tools | Relationships to get the relationships window. Add your tables to the window and drag each foreign key onto it's related primary key to tell Access what the relationships are. Before you define the relationships, the subforms Beetle suggests will not work. HTH -- Clif "Beetle" wrote in message ... Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) No. I don't completely understand your requirements, but based on what you posted I am going to assume the following; A Group can have many Patients but a Patient can only be part of one Group. (1:m relationship) A Patient can take one or many Tests, and any given type of Test can be administered to more than one Patient. (m:m relationship - so you need a junction table to define it) An individual Test can have one or many results (another 1:m relationship) I don't know how Sponsors fit into the picture, so I will ignore that for now. One thing to keep in mind here is that "Dipstick", "Pregnancy Test" and "Papsmear" are only *types* of tests. An actual test is a certain type of test given to a certain Patient on a certain date, so you should also have a table for Test Types. An example table structure; tblGroups ******* GroupID (Primary Key) GroupDescription other fields related to specifically to a group tblPatients ******** PatientID (PK) GroupID (Foreign Key to tblGroups) FirstName LastName MI BirthDate other fields related specifically to a patient tblTestTypes ********** TestTypeID (PK) TypeDescription tblLabTests (this would be the junction table for Patients/Test Types) ******** LabTestID (PK) PatientID (FK to tblPatients) TestTypeID (FK to tblTestTypes) TestDate tblTestResults ********** ResultID (PK) LabTestID (FK to tblLabTests) Description Then when you create your form you would, for example, have a main form based on tblPatients (or a query thereof) with two subforms.The first subform would show all the tests that patient has taken and the second subform would show the results of each of those tests. -- _________ Sean Bailey "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy. -- Clif Still learning Access 2003
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August 26th, 2008, 08:07 PM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
I struggled with my first database and spent most of my time on newsgroups
like this. Being a newbie myself, I learned that you *cannot* give these people too much information. Re-read your post, and make sure you didn't leave any crucial words out. On that note, make sure you communicate effectively what your desired result is. I used to get frustrated when I would post a question, and people would respond with questions about my database. Now, upon reading your post, I understand why they asked. I will check back to see if I could help; I would love to be able to assist you -Pete. "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy.
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August 27th, 2008, 04:07 AM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
Sylvie,
I'm happy that you are receiving the help that you need. The help I have received in this newsgroup has been exceptional. But I have to question why you are using my words and not your own? It's a little disconcerting to see my words staring back at me in your post. No harm done; I just find it strange. I know there are days when it's tough but don't give up. Listen to sound advice. You can do it. Good luck with your db. -- Aria W. "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy.
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August 27th, 2008, 05:35 AM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
Thank you'll for the reply. I am working on it. I'll definitelly have
additional questions. To Aria, sorry about the "plagiarism"; when I saw your post I felt like your words were coming out of my mouth. I was so desperate and confused that even my thoughts would block the attention from the time (as I posted before and no one reply). Also it was very well written. Txs, Sylvie "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy.
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August 27th, 2008, 05:57 AM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
I was so desperate and confused that even my thoughts would block the
attention from the time (as I posted before and no one reply). Also it was very well written. Thank you, Sylvie. As I stated before, there was no harm done. I well understand desperation and confusion; not being able to think it through clearly or even knowing where to turn. I wish I could help you but I am a new user too, still working on my first database. I have found, as I'm sure you have too, that it is the answers we receive here in the newsgroup that keep us going. Please do not lose hope. One day at a time, one problem at a time, gets us both closer to our goal. I wish you the best of luck with your db. -- Aria W. "Sylvie" wrote: Thank you'll for the reply. I am working on it. I'll definitelly have additional questions. To Aria, sorry about the "plagiarism"; when I saw your post I felt like your words were coming out of my mouth. I was so desperate and confused that even my thoughts would block the attention from the time (as I posted before and no one reply). Also it was very well written. Txs, Sylvie "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) . Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) Please help, I am giving up on this. I thouhght was easy.
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August 27th, 2008, 02:36 PM
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I am giving up: My form never worked
My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be
3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) .What's your question? I created a table VISIT: VISITID, SubjectID, GroupID, SponsorID however it is not working. What's not working? Should I create a tbel for each test?(Dipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) You should create one table to contain all test types. Call it TblTestTypes and give it one column, and three records (Dipstick, Pregnancy Test, Papsmear). Then make three tables (TblDipstickResults, TblPregnancyResults, TblPapsmearResults) For each table, make as many records as there are test results within the range. Once you make the tables, you can use them to make combo boxes on a form. Then use the following link: http://www.techonthenet.com/access/s...i_subforms.php It is read-only, but open the database and look at the VBA and form/subform structure. It isn't *exactly* matched up with your problem, but has some stuff in common and should give some insight. Also, my solution of creating tables may violate normalization rules, but I believe it will work. Let someone with more experience come up with a more refined approach. Hope This Helps, Pete Thank you'll for the reply. I am working on it. I'll definitelly have additional questions. To Aria, sorry about the "plagiarism"; when I saw your post I felt like your words were coming out of my mouth. I was so desperate and confused that even my thoughts would block the attention from the time (as I posted before and no one reply). Also it was very well written. Txs, Sylvie "Sylvie" wrote: Hi, I'm still struggling to organize my tables and fields and I still confused regarding the relationship between tables. I'm a newbie to Access. This is my first database and I fluctuate between feeling hopeful I can do this one minute and despairing that I can't the next because I've thought of yet another complication that I don't know how to handle. I have scoured the Internet and this disscussion group for weeks searching for the answers that I need. I found some but I am still at a loss as to what to do about others. I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to review my table structure and respond to some questions at the end. I am truly grateful. Here are the tables Tble PAtient: PAtientID; PatName,PatInitial, Birthdate, GroupID Tble Group: GroupID, GroupName, Group TbleSponsor: SponsorID, SponsorName, StudyID TbleLabTest: LabTestID, LAbTestDescription, LabTestResult Also for each test can be up to 15 results with its ranges. My Question is,: when the patient came in for the tests labs (it can be 3 ipstick, pregnancy test and Papsmear) .
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