How do I post a question that Needs to show an equation that won't

September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid", for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of 73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL "http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups. (Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at" hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides
of a pyramid

Well, I wouldn't mind if you sent me that JPG or other depiction of the
formula in email. My trig skills are a little rusty (i.e. 40 years of
rust), so I don't think I can derive the formula from scratch on my own. A
Google search did not turn up anything for me.


PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
three "times" four equals twelve.

I don't doubt that you know what the word "times" means. I was wondering if
it is possible that you misinterpreted some depiction of the formula. For
example, in math, it is common to write x(y+z) to mean "x times the quantity
y plus z". Along the same lines, I wonder if you might be reading tan^-1(2h
/ ax), where here "^-1" means "superscript -1", as "tan to the -1 power
times the quantity ...", when actually it should be read as "arctan of the
quantity ...".

That makes some sense to me, especially now that I understand the context.


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2044

In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of
a
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".

I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.

Thanks again so much JoeU2004 ! ! !
Dan

PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
three "times" four equals twelve.


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL "http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

I wrote:
I wouldn't mind if you sent me that JPG or other depiction of the formula
in email.

You can disregard this request. Our posting crossed on the "ether". The
PDF link you posted is just what I wanted.

And....


I wonder if you might be reading tan^-1(2h / ax), where here
"^-1" means "superscript -1", as "tan to the -1 power times the
quantity ...", when actually it should be read as "arctan of the quantity
...".

It appears that my speculation was exactly right.


----- original message -----

"JoeU2004" wrote in message
...
"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides
of a pyramid

Well, I wouldn't mind if you sent me that JPG or other depiction of the
formula in email. My trig skills are a little rusty (i.e. 40 years of
rust), so I don't think I can derive the formula from scratch on my own.
A Google search did not turn up anything for me.


PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
three "times" four equals twelve.

I don't doubt that you know what the word "times" means. I was wondering
if it is possible that you misinterpreted some depiction of the formula.
For example, in math, it is common to write x(y+z) to mean "x times the
quantity y plus z". Along the same lines, I wonder if you might be
reading tan^-1(2h / ax), where here "^-1" means "superscript -1", as "tan
to the -1 power times the quantity ...", when actually it should be read
as "arctan of the quantity ...".

That makes some sense to me, especially now that I understand the context.


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2044

In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of
a
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".

I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.

Thanks again so much JoeU2004 ! ! !
Dan

PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
three "times" four equals twelve.


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL
"http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
[....]
4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90

I presume that F10 is k (kappa), a constant that is dependent on the number
of sides, namely:

=TAN( PI()/2 - PI()/C10 )

Then phi, the angle the face triangle makes from the horizontal plane of the
pyramid base, is:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / D10 / F10 ) )

or if you prefer:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / (D10*F10) ) )


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate
the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of
a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL "http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -

1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

This thread has gotten very complicated to follow. In case you missed my
response to your previous posting about this.....

Same with my ISP, Comcast.

You should just try the instructions. They will probably work. Be sure to
read the section titled "Connection To Newgroups".

Your ISP does not need to support its own NNTP server. You are using the
msnews.microsoft.com server instead.

Theoretically, it is possible that Time Warner blocks connections to the
standard NNTP destination port (119) for any destination IP address (for
msnews.microsoft.com, in this case). But that is unlikely.

There is a way for you to test this.

1. On the Windows desktop toolbar, click Start, then Run. In the Open file,
type "cmd" without quotes, then click OK. That should open a cmd.exe
window.

2. In the cmd.exe window, enter the following command: telnet
msnews.microsoft.com 119

3. You should get output that looks something like the following:

200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

4. If you do, enter the following command: quit

That should terminate the telent command. But in any case, you can close
the cmd.exe window.

(Ironically, this might fail for another reason, and connecting to
msnews.microsoft.com through OE might work after all. But I'm betting that
TW does not restrict internet access in the ways that I can imagine they
might theoretically.)


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate
the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of
a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL "http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

I use TimeWarner here in Austin Texas for msnews ngs with NO problems
toolsoptionsadd

--
Don Guillett
Microsoft MVP Excel
SalesAid Software

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Also, my Internet Service Provider does not provide an NNTP Newsgroup
server
for its subscribers.


"Dan McGarigle" wrote:

Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL "http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

I wrote:
2. In the cmd.exe window, enter the following command:
telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

3. You should get output that looks something like the following:
200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

FYI, my sister has the same ISP that you have, and this procedure works for
her.

So, again, you should have no problem following Chip's instructions for
setting up OE to access the MSnews server. "No problem", that is, with your
ISP and the physical connection.

Note: I assume you are using Win XP, not Vista.


----- original message -----

"JoeU2004" wrote in message
...
"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -

1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

This thread has gotten very complicated to follow. In case you missed my
response to your previous posting about this.....

Same with my ISP, Comcast.

You should just try the instructions. They will probably work. Be sure
to
read the section titled "Connection To Newgroups".

Your ISP does not need to support its own NNTP server. You are using the
msnews.microsoft.com server instead.

Theoretically, it is possible that Time Warner blocks connections to the
standard NNTP destination port (119) for any destination IP address (for
msnews.microsoft.com, in this case). But that is unlikely.

There is a way for you to test this.

1. On the Windows desktop toolbar, click Start, then Run. In the Open
file,
type "cmd" without quotes, then click OK. That should open a cmd.exe
window.

2. In the cmd.exe window, enter the following command: telnet
msnews.microsoft.com 119

3. You should get output that looks something like the following:

200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

4. If you do, enter the following command: quit

That should terminate the telent command. But in any case, you can close
the cmd.exe window.

(Ironically, this might fail for another reason, and connecting to
msnews.microsoft.com through OE might work after all. But I'm betting
that
TW does not restrict internet access in the ways that I can imagine they
might theoretically.)


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate
the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of
a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL
"http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

Dear JoeU2004
Well, now I need two more solutions which are

1) The equation # 4 regarding tau = tan-1( 1 / tan(Phi)*(cos(Theta)))
is giving me fits.
My best attempt to do it in Excel is =DEGREES(ATAN((1/(TAN(J10)*COS(H10)))))
where J10 = 73.9, and H10 = 80.90.
But that statement in Excel gives me the result of -5.6630
and not the correct result of 61.29.

and

2) The Saw Angle equation in Figure 3 regarding (Tau sub C = ( pi / 2 ) -
Tau )
is one that I can't even approach yet. My attempt with
=DEGREES((PI()/2)-Tau) of course doesn't work.

Can you help me get these last two into Excel from the document at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf

Many thanks for any advise or help.
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
[....]
4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90

I presume that F10 is k (kappa), a constant that is dependent on the number
of sides, namely:

=TAN( PI()/2 - PI()/C10 )

Then phi, the angle the face triangle makes from the horizontal plane of the
pyramid base, is:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / D10 / F10 ) )

or if you prefer:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / (D10*F10) ) )


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate
the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides of
a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL "http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server ?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook (I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort, you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Well, now I need two more solutions

I'll summarize of all of the formulas in the document.

F10, kappa: =TAN( PI()/2 - PI()/C10 )
H10, theta: =DEGREES( ATAN( SQRT( (2*E10/D10)^2 + F10^2 ) ) )
J10, phi: =DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / (D10*F10) ) )
K10, tau:
=DEGREES( ATAN( 1 / ( TAN(RADIANS(J10)) * COS(RADIANS(H10)) ) ) )
L10, b: =SQRT( E10^2 + (D10*F10/2)^2 )
M10, 90-tau: =DEGREES( PI()/2 - RADIANS(K10) )
N10, r from a: =D10 / ( 2 * SIN( PI()/C10 ) )
O10, r: 2
P10, a from r: =2 * O10 *SIN( PI()/C10 )

"90-tau" is the complement of tau ("t sub c"). The formula can be
simplified significantly, namely:

M10, 90-tau: =90 - K10

FYI, the function ATAN(y/x) can be replace by ATAN2(x,y). That can be
confusing. But the tau formula might be easier to read by using ATAN2:

K10, tau:
=DEGREES( ATAN2( TAN(RADIANS(J10)) * COS(RADIANS(H10)), 1) )

"r from a" computes the radius "r" of a circle that circumscribes the
pyramid face base "a".

Alternatively, if you fill in "r" in O10, "a from r" computes the face base
"a" of a pyramid that is circumscribed by the circle of radius "r".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
Well, now I need two more solutions which are

1) The equation # 4 regarding tau = tan-1( 1 / tan(Phi)*(cos(Theta)))
is giving me fits.
My best attempt to do it in Excel is
=DEGREES(ATAN((1/(TAN(J10)*COS(H10)))))
where J10 = 73.9, and H10 = 80.90.
But that statement in Excel gives me the result of -5.6630
and not the correct result of 61.29.

and

2) The Saw Angle equation in Figure 3 regarding (Tau sub C = ( pi /
2 ) -
Tau )
is one that I can't even approach yet. My attempt with
=DEGREES((PI()/2)-Tau) of course doesn't work.

Can you help me get these last two into Excel from the document at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf

Many thanks for any advise or help.
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
[....]
4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90

I presume that F10 is k (kappa), a constant that is dependent on the
number
of sides, namely:

=TAN( PI()/2 - PI()/C10 )

Then phi, the angle the face triangle makes from the horizontal plane of
the
pyramid base, is:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / D10 / F10 ) )

or if you prefer:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / (D10*F10) ) )


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate
the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides
of
a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a
pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily
calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides
is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server
?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post
to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL
"http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server
?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that
won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To
my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited
to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook
(I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access
the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you
to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you
think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English
text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you
could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort,
you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I
to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last
resort".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that
won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan

DEAR JoeU2004

Mister, you are one SUPERB CITIZEN.

Sincerely
Dan McGarigle


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Well, now I need two more solutions

I'll summarize of all of the formulas in the document.

F10, kappa: =TAN( PI()/2 - PI()/C10 )
H10, theta: =DEGREES( ATAN( SQRT( (2*E10/D10)^2 + F10^2 ) ) )
J10, phi: =DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / (D10*F10) ) )
K10, tau:
=DEGREES( ATAN( 1 / ( TAN(RADIANS(J10)) * COS(RADIANS(H10)) ) ) )
L10, b: =SQRT( E10^2 + (D10*F10/2)^2 )
M10, 90-tau: =DEGREES( PI()/2 - RADIANS(K10) )
N10, r from a: =D10 / ( 2 * SIN( PI()/C10 ) )
O10, r: 2
P10, a from r: =2 * O10 *SIN( PI()/C10 )

"90-tau" is the complement of tau ("t sub c"). The formula can be
simplified significantly, namely:

M10, 90-tau: =90 - K10

FYI, the function ATAN(y/x) can be replace by ATAN2(x,y). That can be
confusing. But the tau formula might be easier to read by using ATAN2:

K10, tau:
=DEGREES( ATAN2( TAN(RADIANS(J10)) * COS(RADIANS(H10)), 1) )

"r from a" computes the radius "r" of a circle that circumscribes the
pyramid face base "a".

Alternatively, if you fill in "r" in O10, "a from r" computes the face base
"a" of a pyramid that is circumscribed by the circle of radius "r".


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
Dear JoeU2004
Well, now I need two more solutions which are

1) The equation # 4 regarding tau = tan-1( 1 / tan(Phi)*(cos(Theta)))
is giving me fits.
My best attempt to do it in Excel is
=DEGREES(ATAN((1/(TAN(J10)*COS(H10)))))
where J10 = 73.9, and H10 = 80.90.
But that statement in Excel gives me the result of -5.6630
and not the correct result of 61.29.

and

2) The Saw Angle equation in Figure 3 regarding (Tau sub C = ( pi /
2 ) -
Tau )
is one that I can't even approach yet. My attempt with
=DEGREES((PI()/2)-Tau) of course doesn't work.

Can you help me get these last two into Excel from the document at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf

Many thanks for any advise or help.
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
[....]
4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90

I presume that F10 is k (kappa), a constant that is dependent on the
number
of sides, namely:

=TAN( PI()/2 - PI()/C10 )

Then phi, the angle the face triangle makes from the horizontal plane of
the
pyramid base, is:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / D10 / F10 ) )

or if you prefer:

=DEGREES( ATAN( 2*E10 / (D10*F10) ) )


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in message
...
September 7, 2009 11:30PM PST

Dear JoeU2004
There are 4 replies in this note, from least to most significant, which
are -
1. I can't use the Microsoft news server because my ISP doesn't support
news
groups ( i.e. they (Time Warner Road Runner) don't provide any NNTP
server.
so the help at the cpearson site is no help to me.

2. In answer to your well taken point, the formula is used to calculate
the
"base-to-a-side" angle in degrees, as part of a set of formulas that
calculate the wood cut bevel cut and side-cutting angles for the sides
of
a
wood
pyramid of "h=height", and "a=length of a leg of the base of a
pyramid",
for
a pyramid of "X number of sides".
I am something of a cabinet maker and the capability to easily
calculate
all
the angles and lengths for a pyramid that can have any number of sides
is
quite a good thing for me.
PS My use of the word "times" is indicative of a multiplication such as
(three "times" four equals twelve).

3. I got this and other formulas from the pdf at
http://pages.swcp.com/awa/images/pdf%20files/Angle.pdf
I have been referring to 'Formula # 2' in that document,
which gives the graphic representation of the equation.

4. Given n(number of sides)=6 in Cell C10,
a(length of a base leg)=2 in Cell D10,
and h(height of the pyramid)=6 in Cell E10,
then the Excel statement
=DEGREES(ATAN((2*E10)*(D10*F10))) is not giving the predicted value of
73.90
degrees and I am stumped by that.
Can you help in any way with this ?

Thanks !!
Dan


"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server
?

Does the following help?

http://www.cpearson.com/excel/HintsA...roupUsers.aspx


----- original message -----

"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear JoeU2004
I have tried to use Internet Explorer 6 to access the "you can post
to
the
MSnews server directly" by using the URL
"http://msnews.microsoft.com/"
but I get only an error message that says "Cannot connect to the
server".
Can you please tell me the steps to access the Microsoft news server
?
Thanks !
Dan

"JoeU2004" wrote:

"Dan McGarigle" wrote:
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that
won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.

You appear to be using the MS Discussion Groups web interface. To
my
knowledge, you cannot post attachments. I believe you are limited
to
text
in your postings.

If you can use Outlook Express (Windows Mail in Vista) or Outlook
(I
believe), you can post to the MSnews server directly. Then you can
add
attachments. I presume the attachments, and maybe even the entire
posting,
are not visible to experts who use MSDG or Google Groups.
(Surprisingly,
some do.) But I think the majority of knowledgable people access
the
MSnews
server directly. There should be sufficient critical mass for you
to
get
some helpful responses.

But what is it about your "equation" (formula?) that makes you
think
it
cannot be viewed "coherently" in a text-only article?

Perhaps a viable alternative would be to copy-and-paste the formula
from
the
Formula Bar, and for anything that is not "coherent" in English
text,
perhaps you could just explain them, if they are relevant to your
question.

In fact, if they are not relevant to your question, perhaps you
could
reduce
your problem to a formula that __can__ be posted "coherently" in
English
text without any special work.

If you do not get any satisfactory suggestions, as a last resort,
you
can
send your Excel workbook to me with an explanation in email. If
nothing
else, I might be able to find a way for you to post the salient
information
in a text-only article. Send the workbook to joeu2004 "at"
hotmail.com.

PS: Other knowledgable people in these forums know how to post
"attachments" to public web sites; then you can put the URL into a
text-only
posting here. One of those people might be a better choice than I
to
help
you one-on-one. That's why I would consider myself a "last
resort".


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"Dan McGarigle" wrote in
message
...
Dear Excel
How do I post a question that needs to show an equation that
won't
be
visually coherent when viewed by this text composer/viewer.
Can I send a .jpg that shows the equation to someone ?
Thanks !
Dan