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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.visio.general
vfont
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I was using Visio 2010 Premium this morning to modify a multi-page UML
Activity Diagram and something went teriibly wrong. The diagram was created
in Vision 2007. There are four pages in the diagram. Pages 2-4 are minor
variations of the same process. When I created the diagram and cut and pasted
each diagram from page 2 to it's own new page, then tweaked each diagram for
uniqueness. When I was done, I grouped everything together and filed the .vsd
away.

Today, I needed to tweak the diagram a little more. The change I needed to
make was on page 4. I ungrouped all of the elements and found that I could
not open the property window for anything at all. I used the text tool to
modeify the text in one activity. The text changed to the new text for the
same activity of each of the three pages. Since I built this using cut and
paste it appears though Visio 2010 thinks there is one element. It not seeing
all of the cut and pasted activities as separate elements. This seems to be a
serious software defect that seems to have been missed in Beta testing.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 08:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.visio.general
David J Parker [MVP Visio]
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It may be that the problem was your grouping action.
Grouping and ungrouping shapes will have severed the relationship to each of
their masters.
As a rule, you should not group shapes that are part of an add-in.

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I was using Visio 2010 Premium this morning to modify a multi-page UML
Activity Diagram and something went teriibly wrong. The diagram was
created
in Vision 2007. There are four pages in the diagram. Pages 2-4 are minor
variations of the same process. When I created the diagram and cut and
pasted
each diagram from page 2 to it's own new page, then tweaked each diagram
for
uniqueness. When I was done, I grouped everything together and filed the
.vsd
away.

Today, I needed to tweak the diagram a little more. The change I needed to
make was on page 4. I ungrouped all of the elements and found that I could
not open the property window for anything at all. I used the text tool to
modeify the text in one activity. The text changed to the new text for the
same activity of each of the three pages. Since I built this using cut and
paste it appears though Visio 2010 thinks there is one element. It not
seeing
all of the cut and pasted activities as separate elements. This seems to
be a
serious software defect that seems to have been missed in Beta testing.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.visio.general
Paul Herber
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:19:02 -0700, vfont wrote:

I was using Visio 2010 Premium this morning to modify a multi-page UML
Activity Diagram and something went teriibly wrong. The diagram was created
in Vision 2007. There are four pages in the diagram. Pages 2-4 are minor
variations of the same process. When I created the diagram and cut and pasted
each diagram from page 2 to it's own new page, then tweaked each diagram for
uniqueness. When I was done, I grouped everything together


That's probably the step where it all went wrong. There is no need to group these shapes,
in fact, it will be positively detrimental. Ungroup them and all should be well. (Only
ungroup the shapes that you grouped, don't ungroup the shapes that Visio creates as
groups)


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics/
Electrical for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electrical/
Electronics Packages for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics-packages/
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Old April 27th, 2010, 03:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.visio.general
vfont
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I did not ungroup the Visio supplied shapes. I only ungrouped the shapes that
I orginally grouped together and copied from page to page. I could edit them
fin in 2007. After installling 2010, the shapes are mysteriously linked
across all the pages. If I change the text in a shape on page 4, the
corresponding shape on page 2 also changes the text. This is a software
issue, not something that I'm doing wrong. I a 25 year veteran of software
development and use visio extensively to illustrate books I write. The only
way to fix the problem is to completely redraw the diagram in 2010. It is an
enormous waste of time and loss of productivity.

"Paul Herber" wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:19:02 -0700, vfont wrote:

I was using Visio 2010 Premium this morning to modify a multi-page UML
Activity Diagram and something went teriibly wrong. The diagram was created
in Vision 2007. There are four pages in the diagram. Pages 2-4 are minor
variations of the same process. When I created the diagram and cut and pasted
each diagram from page 2 to it's own new page, then tweaked each diagram for
uniqueness. When I was done, I grouped everything together


That's probably the step where it all went wrong. There is no need to group these shapes,
in fact, it will be positively detrimental. Ungroup them and all should be well. (Only
ungroup the shapes that you grouped, don't ungroup the shapes that Visio creates as
groups)


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics/
Electrical for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electrical/
Electronics Packages for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics-packages/
.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 11:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.visio.general
James W.[_2_]
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I ran through your general steps creating a UML drawing in Visio 2007 then
opening it in 2010. You state “When I was done, I grouped everything together
and filed the .vsd away”, what exactly does this mean? When I group UML
objects from a Static Structure together in Visio 2010 they become a group
and they move as one unit when one of the members are moved however I can
still select the individual objects in the group. You need to make sure the
correct object is selected and not the group. To avoid this entire situation
you might consider using containers for shapes you want to move together. If
I create a new page and insert an object from the Model Explorer on the page
then make a change to the properties it will affect all instances in the
drawing. If I follow your steps any change to the object will only affect the
instance that I am working on. Perhaps you should open a case with Microsoft
Support so we can investigate the issue further.
--
James W.


"vfont" wrote:

I did not ungroup the Visio supplied shapes. I only ungrouped the shapes that
I orginally grouped together and copied from page to page. I could edit them
fin in 2007. After installling 2010, the shapes are mysteriously linked
across all the pages. If I change the text in a shape on page 4, the
corresponding shape on page 2 also changes the text. This is a software
issue, not something that I'm doing wrong. I a 25 year veteran of software
development and use visio extensively to illustrate books I write. The only
way to fix the problem is to completely redraw the diagram in 2010. It is an
enormous waste of time and loss of productivity.

"Paul Herber" wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:19:02 -0700, vfont wrote:

I was using Visio 2010 Premium this morning to modify a multi-page UML
Activity Diagram and something went teriibly wrong. The diagram was created
in Vision 2007. There are four pages in the diagram. Pages 2-4 are minor
variations of the same process. When I created the diagram and cut and pasted
each diagram from page 2 to it's own new page, then tweaked each diagram for
uniqueness. When I was done, I grouped everything together


That's probably the step where it all went wrong. There is no need to group these shapes,
in fact, it will be positively detrimental. Ungroup them and all should be well. (Only
ungroup the shapes that you grouped, don't ungroup the shapes that Visio creates as
groups)


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics/
Electrical for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electrical/
Electronics Packages for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics-packages/
.

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Old April 28th, 2010, 12:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.visio.general
vfont
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The problem is easy to duplicate. When I get a little more time, I'll
reinstall 2007 on one of my machines and video the sequence of events.

"James W." wrote:

I ran through your general steps creating a UML drawing in Visio 2007 then
opening it in 2010. You state “When I was done, I grouped everything together
and filed the .vsd away”, what exactly does this mean? When I group UML
objects from a Static Structure together in Visio 2010 they become a group
and they move as one unit when one of the members are moved however I can
still select the individual objects in the group. You need to make sure the
correct object is selected and not the group. To avoid this entire situation
you might consider using containers for shapes you want to move together. If
I create a new page and insert an object from the Model Explorer on the page
then make a change to the properties it will affect all instances in the
drawing. If I follow your steps any change to the object will only affect the
instance that I am working on. Perhaps you should open a case with Microsoft
Support so we can investigate the issue further.
--
James W.


"vfont" wrote:

I did not ungroup the Visio supplied shapes. I only ungrouped the shapes that
I orginally grouped together and copied from page to page. I could edit them
fin in 2007. After installling 2010, the shapes are mysteriously linked
across all the pages. If I change the text in a shape on page 4, the
corresponding shape on page 2 also changes the text. This is a software
issue, not something that I'm doing wrong. I a 25 year veteran of software
development and use visio extensively to illustrate books I write. The only
way to fix the problem is to completely redraw the diagram in 2010. It is an
enormous waste of time and loss of productivity.

"Paul Herber" wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:19:02 -0700, vfont wrote:

I was using Visio 2010 Premium this morning to modify a multi-page UML
Activity Diagram and something went teriibly wrong. The diagram was created
in Vision 2007. There are four pages in the diagram. Pages 2-4 are minor
variations of the same process. When I created the diagram and cut and pasted
each diagram from page 2 to it's own new page, then tweaked each diagram for
uniqueness. When I was done, I grouped everything together

That's probably the step where it all went wrong. There is no need to group these shapes,
in fact, it will be positively detrimental. Ungroup them and all should be well. (Only
ungroup the shapes that you grouped, don't ungroup the shapes that Visio creates as
groups)


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics/
Electrical for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electrical/
Electronics Packages for Visio http://www.sandrila.co.uk/visio-electronics-packages/
.

 




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