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I haven't experimented with Adobe. Adobe is known for not being well behaved
when using with Word. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! My criminal defense site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "jon_banquer" wrote in message ups.com... Charles Kenyon wrote: It will rename the style, that is what this is about, letting you call the same style by different names. You should only have one Heading 2 style in your document, regardless of its name. You can have multiple styles that are at heading level 2, they must be part of different list templates (I think). Take the time to read the article by John McGhie and to set up your styles using the procedures that Shauna Kelly gives to implement this. Yes, it is hard, but it does work. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! My criminal defense site: http://addbalance.com --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. Charles, I seem to remember that the advise given on Shauna Kellys website says use the existing MS Word Heading names and don't rename them. If your suggestion works then perhaps her website should also state cases where one must give Headings unique names? I wonder if Adobe Acrobat will recognize Heading Styles with unique names at their assigned proper levels? Have you or anyone else experimented with this to see if Adobe Acrobat will recognize unique Heading Style names at their proper levels? Jon Banquer Phoenix, Arizona |
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Charles Kenyon wrote:
I haven't experimented with Adobe. Adobe is known for not being well behaved when using with Word. I've had no problem at all from Distiller when making pdfs from Word, including extensive graphics and footnotes. The pdfs are unnecessarily large, however, especially when graphics are involved. The same document treated with LaTeX - dvips - pdf can comes out as much as two thirds smaller. I suspect that this is at least partly because I use eps graphics in LaTeX but png in most other software (including Word). |
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I still think the "phony styles" you're seeing in Word are just formatting.
Have you tried clearing the check box for "Keep track of formatting" on the Edit tab of Tools | Options? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "jon_banquer" wrote in message ups.com... Robert M. Franz (RMF) wrote: jon_banquer wrote: [..] "There are, however, empty paragraphs every other page (well, I didn't look too far into the document, to be honest) -- that's something which is a no-no in any long document." Only time I do that is to get the manual page breaks I put in to be the lowest thing on the page. Don't use manual page breaks. If you want to force a paragraph unto a new page, set its paragraph property (Format | Paragraph in the 2nd tab: "Page break before"). Also I do it this on the top of each page in case I need to do further editing as this at one point seemed to help me. OK, if you take an empty paragraph that you still need to insert something in there, that's fine. While you are at that stage of the document, you should not at all think about final pagination, though (and not about whether a certain paragraph should have more or less spacing before/after). Since you did take the time to download my document but have not looked through it maybe you can look through it and see why I chose to / needed to have the same Heading with different spaces before and after. I have looked "through" it, but it still escapes me why you would _want_ to have differently spaced heading 2 styles. Nothing in there will tell me that, only you can. I gotta tell you that even though I just started using Open Office Writer I'm not having these problems in Open Office Writer ! Makes me wonder why. :) Maybe it suits your way of working better. Word's styles, esp. when it comes to heading/numbering styles, have a somewhat steep learning curve. Also the documentation that is written by their volunteers is just excellent. Way better than what MS provides with Word ! Well, you just have to check out the documentation by the MS volunteers, too! ;-) In any case more specifics on what I should change after you have looked through the rest of my document would be very helpful. I suggest you take a look through all the answers in this thread again, carefully, and read up on referenced material. And answer questions by those who try to help you. [But don't expect anyone on the Usenet to do your work for you ... :-)] HTH Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word Hi Robert, "Don't use manual page breaks. If you want to force a paragraph unto a new page, set its paragraph property (Format | Paragraph in the 2nd tab: "Page break before")." Okay. This is how I'm now creating manual page breaks using Open Office Writer. I have decided to port what I have done in MS Word to Open Office Writer which so far does *exactly what I want* with Styles and with Headings. I am not having the problems with Headings or Styles in Open Office Writer that I was having with MS Word. I can name the Headings whatever I want and how I want. I also don't have phony Styles appearing like I did with MS Word. The Open Office program documentation written by people like Jean Weber is superior in IMO to what I consider to be the crap that is provided with MS Word or in any of the Word books I have seen. Here is a link for anyone who wants to see what I believe quality documentation looks like: http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/use..._of_index_html "I have looked "through" it, but it still escapes me why you would _want_ to have differently spaced heading 2 styles. Nothing in there will tell me that, only you can. " Okay. Fair enough. One reason is that I often have Headings that follow each other with no text after then and I want space between the Headings. The minute I try and create say several types of Heading 2 Styles, MS Word starts to break my chops. Open Office Writer doesn't. What would you do if you sometimes needed a Heading 2 Style with say 6 after and sometimes you didn't? Another example would be following a table where I need the Heading to have 6 pts before so there is space between the table and the Heading. What do you do in this case? Do you create a table that has phony space so that the text has separation from the table? "Well, you just have to check out the documentation by the MS volunteers, too! ;-)" Nothing on the sites that have been posted deal with MS World creating phony styles that I can't get rid of... well one sort of does but the technique does not work to get rid of the phony styles that MS Word had created in my document! Nothing on these sites deals with why MS Word gives me so much grief with Heading Styles where Open Office Writer has no problem with what I want to do with Headings. So far Open Office Writer does not break my chops on how I name a Style and so far Open Office Writer has not renamed any of my Styles. :) At present I feel that MS Word has unneeded restrictions on Headings and Styles that Open Office Writer does not have. For me MS Word does a very poor job with giving the user real control and a easy way to deal with Headings and Styles. "Maybe it suits your way of working better. Word's styles, esp. when it comes to heading/numbering styles, have a somewhat steep learning curve." What has been posted sound like elaborate work arounds that are not required in Open Office Writer. I have made a good deal of changes in my document based on a book that I have been reading authored by Robin Williams. I have reduced the size of my body text to 10.5 points and changed to a serif font for the body. I reduced the size of the font used for my Headings and changed from Arial to Bitstream and made the Headings blue instead of black. I have made even greater use of tables for data and have given them a blue border with light gray cell lines. I'm trying hard to open things up and give this very long document a lighter feel that makes it more enjoyable to look at and easier to read. Jon Banquer Phoenix, Arizona |
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anon k wrote:
I've had no problem at all from Distiller when making pdfs from Word, including extensive graphics and footnotes. The pdfs are unnecessarily large, however, especially when graphics are involved. Then change Distiller's joboptions. Greetings Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word |
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Robert M. Franz (RMF) wrote:
anon k wrote: I've had no problem at all from Distiller when making pdfs from Word, including extensive graphics and footnotes. The pdfs are unnecessarily large, however, especially when graphics are involved. Then change Distiller's joboptions. My experience is that Ghostscript tends to produce more compact pdf files, even for text-only documents. Fiddling with Distiller's joboptions doesn't seem to bring the bulk down to the same level. |
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I still think the "phony styles" you're seeing in Word are just formatting. Have you tried clearing the check box for "Keep track of formatting" on the Edit tab of Tools | Options? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Suzanne, You are correct. Unchecking the check box for Keep Track Of Formatting removed them. Thanks. :) I have to be honest, I like Open Office Writer so much better than I'm just Writer at the moment to finish the big file I uploaded. I'm about 20 percent done. I've had zero problems so far with Open Office Writer and greatly prefer it. Writer is very logical and is very stable. One thing I especially like are Writers Frames which allow me to control space above and below the extensive bitmaps I'm using. Curious to know how you control spacing above and beyond a Word Table ? The only way I can see to do it is by controlling the text around the Word Table. Jon Banquer Phoenix, Arizona |
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Although it has been suggested (to MS) that some other method be introduced,
at present the only way to add space above or below a *bordered* table is to add it to the paragraphs above and below. For unbordered tables, it can be added to the top and bottom rows. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "jon_banquer" wrote in message oups.com... Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: I still think the "phony styles" you're seeing in Word are just formatting. Have you tried clearing the check box for "Keep track of formatting" on the Edit tab of Tools | Options? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Suzanne, You are correct. Unchecking the check box for Keep Track Of Formatting removed them. Thanks. :) I have to be honest, I like Open Office Writer so much better than I'm just Writer at the moment to finish the big file I uploaded. I'm about 20 percent done. I've had zero problems so far with Open Office Writer and greatly prefer it. Writer is very logical and is very stable. One thing I especially like are Writers Frames which allow me to control space above and below the extensive bitmaps I'm using. Curious to know how you control spacing above and beyond a Word Table ? The only way I can see to do it is by controlling the text around the Word Table. Jon Banquer Phoenix, Arizona |
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Although it has been suggested (to MS) that some other method be introduced, at present the only way to add space above or below a *bordered* table is to add it to the paragraphs above and below. For unbordered tables, it can be added to the top and bottom rows. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. That's what I thought. For me working in Open Office Writer with it's concept of Frames is so much easier then what Word offers. In general I find Open Office Writer to be a much better thought out program then what MS Word is. It seems to me that to get many things done in MS Word require work arounds and kluges that are not necessary in Open Office Writer. I appreciate your input. Thanks again. Jon Banquer Phoenix, Arizona |
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