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December 18th, 2006, 08:12 PM
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Thank you. It's been an "interesting" experience to say the least :-)
Dudley "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award. Dudley Henriques wrote: I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and see it as a general improvement in the program. Dudley Dudley Henriques [MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update, Dudley. -- ~PA Bear Dudley Henriques wrote: Thanks Bear; I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each night. It's the last thing I do actually. I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer files out of the sent folder into this archive folder. I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-) This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... [X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups] Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone; http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx +26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5 The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch. We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor would installing it succeed. See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.) -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) Dudley Henriques wrote: I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it. Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any settings and this has never happened before. If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if it's an issue please. 
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#42
December 18th, 2006, 08:15 PM
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Wait until March! eg You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Dudley Henriques wrote: Thank you. It's been an "interesting" experience to say the least :-) Dudley "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award. Dudley Henriques wrote: I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and see it as a general improvement in the program. Dudley Dudley Henriques [MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update, Dudley. -- ~PA Bear Dudley Henriques wrote: Thanks Bear; I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each night. It's the last thing I do actually. I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer files out of the sent folder into this archive folder. I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-) This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... [X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups] Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone; http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx +26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5 The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch. We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor would installing it succeed. See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.) -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) Dudley Henriques wrote: I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it. Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any settings and this has never happened before. If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if it's an issue please.
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#43
December 18th, 2006, 08:26 PM
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My own area for the MVP, [flight simulator] is highly dependant on what
happens around then. Should prove to be an interesting month for all of us. :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Wait until March! eg You ain't seen nothin' yet. Dudley Henriques wrote: Thank you. It's been an "interesting" experience to say the least :-) Dudley "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award. Dudley Henriques wrote: I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and see it as a general improvement in the program. Dudley Dudley Henriques [MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update, Dudley. -- ~PA Bear Dudley Henriques wrote: Thanks Bear; I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each night. It's the last thing I do actually. I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer files out of the sent folder into this archive folder. I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-) This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... [X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups] Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone; http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx +26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5 The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch. We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor would installing it succeed. See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.) -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) Dudley Henriques wrote: I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it. Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any settings and this has never happened before. If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if it's an issue please.
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#44
December 19th, 2006, 12:29 AM
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Oh goody! Another Flight Sim MVP! Congrats, Dudley! Once I get my system
upgraded (hardware, not software) and ready for prime time, I'm going to load that back in. Any suggestions for control hardware? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite" http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite PA Bear wrote: Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award. Dudley Henriques wrote: I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and see it as a general improvement in the program. Dudley Dudley Henriques [MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update, Dudley. -- ~PA Bear Dudley Henriques wrote: Thanks Bear; I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each night. It's the last thing I do actually. I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer files out of the sent folder into this archive folder. I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-) This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... [X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups] Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone; http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx +26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5 The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch. We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor would installing it succeed. See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.) -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) Dudley Henriques wrote: I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it. Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any settings and this has never happened before. If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if it's an issue please.
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#45
December 19th, 2006, 01:08 AM
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Thank you. It's an interesting experience.
As for controllers, I use CH Products after testing almost everything else out here. They are stable, realistic, and will function right out of DirextX with no additional software (unless you want it) DH "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Oh goody! Another Flight Sim MVP! Congrats, Dudley! Once I get my system upgraded (hardware, not software) and ready for prime time, I'm going to load that back in. Any suggestions for control hardware? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite" http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite PA Bear wrote: Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award. Dudley Henriques wrote: I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and see it as a general improvement in the program. Dudley Dudley Henriques [MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update, Dudley. -- ~PA Bear Dudley Henriques wrote: Thanks Bear; I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each night. It's the last thing I do actually. I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer files out of the sent folder into this archive folder. I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-) This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... [X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups] Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone; http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx +26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5 The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch. We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor would installing it succeed. See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.) -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) Dudley Henriques wrote: I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it. Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any settings and this has never happened before. If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if it's an issue please.
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#46
December 19th, 2006, 01:38 AM
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Thanks! Off to spend more money I don't have yet, g.
-- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite" http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite Dudley Henriques wrote: Thank you. It's an interesting experience. As for controllers, I use CH Products after testing almost everything else out here. They are stable, realistic, and will function right out of DirextX with no additional software (unless you want it) DH "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Oh goody! Another Flight Sim MVP! Congrats, Dudley! Once I get my system upgraded (hardware, not software) and ready for prime time, I'm going to load that back in. Any suggestions for control hardware? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite" http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite PA Bear wrote: Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award. Dudley Henriques wrote: I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and see it as a general improvement in the program. Dudley Dudley Henriques [MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update, Dudley. -- ~PA Bear Dudley Henriques wrote: Thanks Bear; I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each night. It's the last thing I do actually. I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer files out of the sent folder into this archive folder. I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-) This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-) DH "PA Bear" wrote in message ... [X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups] Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone; http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx +26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5 The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch. We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor would installing it succeed. See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.) -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) Dudley Henriques wrote: I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it. Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any settings and this has never happened before. If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if it's an issue please.
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#47
December 19th, 2006, 03:26 AM
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"mae" wrote in message ... I have always had the tree open because I often select individual folder. -- mae "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... | Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting. | DH | | "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message | ... | You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click on | Outlook Express so no active folder is open. | -- | Bruce Hagen | MS-MVP Outlook Express | ~IB-CA~ | | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I | guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer???? | Dudley | | | "Alias" wrote in message | ... -snip | Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express | at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you, | go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line -snip much | "Alias" wrote in message | ... | Dudley Henriques wrote: | "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in | message ... | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.
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December 19th, 2006, 03:26 AM
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... I think the problem everyone is stressing is that you don't want anything downloading into a folder like the inbox as you are compacting. The way I use OE might be preventing this anyway, as I am configured to check for mail and everything else for that matter manually. In other words, I don't use ANY automatic downloads on my system. Just an individual preference I guess, but it seems to work for me. I'm not all that savvy on OE, so I have a tendency to do what the folks in the know suggest. I can't think of anything that clicking on the OE folder does for me in my scenario, but I'll usually do things that Frank and the folks suggest anyway just in case they know something I might have missed :-)) DH "mae" wrote in message ... I have always had the tree open because I often select individual folder. -- mae "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... | Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting. | DH | | "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message | ... | You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click on | Outlook Express so no active folder is open. | -- | Bruce Hagen | MS-MVP Outlook Express | ~IB-CA~ | | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I | guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer???? | Dudley | | | "Alias" wrote in message | ... -snip | Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express | at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you, | go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line -snip much | "Alias" wrote in message | ... | Dudley Henriques wrote: | "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in | message ... | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.
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December 19th, 2006, 03:26 AM
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... I think the problem everyone is stressing is that you don't want anything downloading into a folder like the inbox as you are compacting. The way I use OE might be preventing this anyway, as I am configured to check for mail and everything else for that matter manually. In other words, I don't use ANY automatic downloads on my system. Just an individual preference I guess, but it seems to work for me. I'm not all that savvy on OE, so I have a tendency to do what the folks in the know suggest. I can't think of anything that clicking on the OE folder does for me in my scenario, but I'll usually do things that Frank and the folks suggest anyway just in case they know something I might have missed :-)) DH "mae" wrote in message ... I have always had the tree open because I often select individual folder. -- mae "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... | Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting. | DH | | "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message | ... | You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click on | Outlook Express so no active folder is open. | -- | Bruce Hagen | MS-MVP Outlook Express | ~IB-CA~ | | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I | guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer???? | Dudley | | | "Alias" wrote in message | ... -snip | Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express | at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you, | go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line -snip much | "Alias" wrote in message | ... | Dudley Henriques wrote: | "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in | message ... | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.
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December 19th, 2006, 03:26 AM
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... I think the problem everyone is stressing is that you don't want anything downloading into a folder like the inbox as you are compacting. The way I use OE might be preventing this anyway, as I am configured to check for mail and everything else for that matter manually. In other words, I don't use ANY automatic downloads on my system. Just an individual preference I guess, but it seems to work for me. I'm not all that savvy on OE, so I have a tendency to do what the folks in the know suggest. I can't think of anything that clicking on the OE folder does for me in my scenario, but I'll usually do things that Frank and the folks suggest anyway just in case they know something I might have missed :-)) DH "mae" wrote in message ... I have always had the tree open because I often select individual folder. -- mae "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... | Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting. | DH | | "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message | ... | You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click on | Outlook Express so no active folder is open. | -- | Bruce Hagen | MS-MVP Outlook Express | ~IB-CA~ | | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I | guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer???? | Dudley | | | "Alias" wrote in message | ... -snip | Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express | at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you, | go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line -snip much | "Alias" wrote in message | ... | Dudley Henriques wrote: | "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in | message ... | "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message | ... | Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.
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