OE6.0 compact question

"Harvey Fenwick Lung" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:17:35 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for the
majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when
they
are lost.

I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever
you
choose. It can also be set to run at startup.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Groan.... it's amazing how everyone just accepts that it does what
it does. They should have sent the files to a "backup" folder, not the
darn recycle bin.,... only 1 set of files, overwrite the old ones if
the data is good.

Someone will come up with a registry hack to disable, I hope.


I was told awhile back that a second compaction was going to overwrite the
first, but obviously it doesn't.

See the section outlined in red here for more info:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:37:22 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:


"Harvey Fenwick Lung" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:17:35 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for the
majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when
they
are lost.

I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever
you
choose. It can also be set to run at startup.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Groan.... it's amazing how everyone just accepts that it does what
it does. They should have sent the files to a "backup" folder, not the
darn recycle bin.,... only 1 set of files, overwrite the old ones if
the data is good.

Someone will come up with a registry hack to disable, I hope.


I was told awhile back that a second compaction was going to overwrite the
first, but obviously it doesn't.

See the section outlined in red here for more info:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

I've had Outlook Express on this and my previous computer for about 7
years- even brought my dbx files over from the old computer,

I compact all folders almost every time I get/delete/send e-mail and
I haven't had any file corruption issues. I have a backup set of dbx
files, but I have to remember to refresh them regularly. I suppose
there's always a chance for corruption (power outage while compacting
or receiving), but I feel that Microsoft should have handled this
differently.

A registry hack is doubtful. For that to work, Microsoft would have had
to build the logic into OE to look for the hack.

For what it's worth, I do a compact once a week just before I do my
weekly backup. Unless you are deleting thousands of messages per day
(or perhaps hundreds with binaries), and very low on free disk space,
more often compacting is of minimal value. I also have my recycle bin
sorted on date deleted. Then whenever I think about it (perhaps every
few weeks) I delete items from the recycle bin that were deleted more
than a few weeks ago.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Harvey Fenwick Lung" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:17:35 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for
the
majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain
when they
are lost.

I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc.
Whatever you
choose. It can also be set to run at startup.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Groan.... it's amazing how everyone just accepts that it does what
it does. They should have sent the files to a "backup" folder, not the
darn recycle bin.,... only 1 set of files, overwrite the old ones if
the data is good.

Someone will come up with a registry hack to disable, I hope.

I totally agree with you, Doug; it's pure stupidity! It's a complete
unexpected change of functionality. The whole purpose of Compaction is to
save space; instead M/Soft has done the contradictory action and consumed yet
more space by copying the whole of OE's message store rather than just
freeing up the unused space within it. Furthermore, they have multiplied the
waste by saving yet another copy of the whole store FOR EACH TIME you Compact.

They should have made this action optional by adding a parameter in OE's
Options or at least the Registry. At the very least, they should have removed
the previous set of .bak files in the Recycle Bin when they back up for the
latest Compaction, so as not to proliferate the problem.

"Doug" wrote:
Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up
with in a while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are
nuts. Filling up my computer with a whole bunch of useless
backups which I didn't want or ask for is just plain dumb.

I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch,
then uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE or
patch it, then do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines
that don't really correct things but just mask them or give you
an out if things go wrong.

In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake don't
complain...as it will do no good.

XRaySpeX: That's okay...I uninstalled the damned patch. Gawd,
they tee me off.

Doug W.

"XRaySpeX" wrote in message
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I totally agree with you, Doug; it's pure stupidity! It's a
complete
unexpected change of functionality. The whole purpose of
Compaction is to
save space; instead M/Soft has done the contradictory action
and consumed yet
more space by copying the whole of OE's message store rather
than just
freeing up the unused space within it. Furthermore, they have
multiplied the
waste by saving yet another copy of the whole store FOR EACH
TIME you Compact.

They should have made this action optional by adding a
parameter in OE's
Options or at least the Registry. At the very least, they
should have removed
the previous set of .bak files in the Recycle Bin when they
back up for the
latest Compaction, so as not to proliferate the problem.

"Doug" wrote:
Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up
with in a while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are
nuts. Filling up my computer with a whole bunch of useless
backups which I didn't want or ask for is just plain dumb.

I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch,
then uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE
or
patch it, then do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines
that don't really correct things but just mask them or give
you
an out if things go wrong.

In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake
don't
complain...as it will do no good.

[X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups]

Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone;
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

+26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting:
http://snipurl.com/156d5

The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch.
We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the
next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du

NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor
would installing it succeed.

See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for
documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the
BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it
if
it's an issue please.

Thanks Bear;
I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each
night. It's the last thing I do actually.
I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer
files out of the sent folder into this archive folder.
I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully
nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid
corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-)
This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's
no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know
this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-)
DH


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
[X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups]

Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone;
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

+26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after
compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5

The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch.
We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the
next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du

NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766,
nor would installing it succeed.

See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for
documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the
BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as
I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it
if
it's an issue please.

Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this update,
Dudley.
--
~PA Bear

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Bear;
I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each
night. It's the last thing I do actually.
I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer
files out of the sent folder into this archive folder.
I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully
nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid
corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-)
This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's
no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I
know
this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-)
DH


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
[X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups]

Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone;
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

+26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after
compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5

The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766
patch.
We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the
next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du

NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766,
nor would installing it succeed.

See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for
documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the
BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as
I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it
if
it's an issue please.

I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think
something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually
after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and
see it as a general improvement in the program.
Dudley

Dudley Henriques
[MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this
update, Dudley.
--
~PA Bear

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Bear;
I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each
night. It's the last thing I do actually.
I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer
files out of the sent folder into this archive folder.
I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully
nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid
corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-)
This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but
it's
no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I
know
this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-)
DH


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
[X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups]

Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone;
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

+26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after
compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5

The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766
patch.
We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in
the
next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du

NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766,
nor would installing it succeed.

See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for
documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using
the
BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my
breath.)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as
I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it
if
it's an issue please.

Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award.

Dudley Henriques wrote:
I learned a long time ago that when folks in the know like you think
something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually
after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and
see it as a general improvement in the program.
Dudley

Dudley Henriques
[MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Thanks for taking the time to read and understand the need for this
update, Dudley.
--
~PA Bear

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Bear;
I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer
each
night. It's the last thing I do actually.
I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer
files out of the sent folder into this archive folder.
I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully
nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid
corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-)
This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but
it's
no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I
know
this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-)
DH


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
[X-post to OE General and OE6 newsgroups]

Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone;
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

+26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after
compacting: http://snipurl.com/156d5

The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766
patch.
We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in
the
next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du

NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install
918766,
nor would installing it succeed.

See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for
documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using
the
BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my
breath.)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as
I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it
if
it's an issue please.