problems

I am unale to receive emails through this server and can't seem to find out
what the problem is. Please help

NEVER post or use your real email address in a public newsgrou or forum!

What server, bellsouth.net's POP3 server?

Has your account EVER worked in OE? Post any error
messages you're getting.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


wrote:
I am unale to receive emails through this server and can't seem to find
out
what the problem is. Please help

Gimme a break. As I've indicated earlier, most spam is from email addresses
captured off of websites or off address books. Its not from people not
misrepresenting themselves in these newsgroups.

steve

"PA Bear" wrote in message
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NEVER post or use your real email address in a public newsgrou or forum!

wrote in message
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I am unale to receive emails through this server and can't seem to find out
what the problem is. Please help

Hi Norman,

I did an empirical test of this and when I posted once with a valid account
I never used anywhere else, I got very very few emails (spam). But when I
used an account on a website and never posted it in the newsgroups, then it
got TONS of spam.

So the fantasy that one gets targeted by posting here is hugely overblown
and is not backed up by any data whatsoever. If someone is going to caution
against something, then they should have some evidence that backs up their
assertion. Its like people saying you can catch viruses reading HTML
messages. More bunk.

steve

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:46:09 -0500, Steve Cochran wrote:

Gimme a break. As I've indicated earlier, most spam is from email
addresses
captured off of websites or off address books. Its not from people not
misrepresenting themselves in these newsgroups.

I am sorry to have to report, but email addresses posted in headers to
NNTP
servers _do_ get spammed. Worse, viruses target 'msnews.microsoft.com',
and
target the Reply-To email addresses as readily as the From email
addresses.
I have a wad of viral email, and a dozen email address changes (for
messages
using the email address in my Reply-To field in these groups) to back that
claim.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

Okay, your point is taken, and I didn't say the NGs are not harvested. What
I said was the majority of the spam I get is NOT coming from email addresses
I use in posting to NGs.

If you did the counter test and put an email address up on a website that
gets a bit of traffic, then I would predict that you'd get much much more to
that address.

At any rate, the "DON'T EVER POST WITH YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS AS THE SKY
WILL FALL ON YOU" is way overrated, in my opinion, which prompted my
original response.

steve

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:37:47 -0500, Steve Cochran wrote:

So the fantasy that one gets targeted by posting here is hugely overblown
and is not backed up by any data whatsoever.

P.S.

Here is a forgery, using an email address I had created just for the MSFT
groups:

| Received: from mail101.store.yahoo.com (mail101.store.yahoo.com
[216.136.224.113])
| by mail100.store.yahoo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP
| id 0BD0C6E8F2; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:57:16 -0800 (PST)
| Received: from rjumrusyh.net (CPE-24-31-247-107.kc.res.rr.com
[24.31.247.107])
| by mail101.store.yahoo.com (Postfix) with SMTP
| id 634D5CAE066; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:57:07 -0800 (PST)
| From:
| To:
| Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:40:41 GMT
| Subject: hi, ive a new mail address
| Importance: Normal
| X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
| Message-ID:
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="====ea2507.1b61a9f4bed3ef951c"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am not now, nor ever have been, a Road Runner customer. RR does not even
serve any place I have ever lived. Nobody at RR has the authority, or
right,
to use any email address in the 'aosake.net' domain, much less an email
address I created specifically for these groups.

I pulled these headers from a DSN. This is a blatant forgery by either a
spammer, or a virus.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

"Overblown" was my selected adjective I believe.

Anyway, your point is taken.

cheers,

steve

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:47:13 -0500, Steve Cochran wrote:

Okay, your point is taken, and I didn't say the NGs are not harvested.
What
I said was the majority of the spam I get is NOT coming from email
addresses
I use in posting to NGs.

I get enough spam, and viral email delivery attempts to my mail server
where
the delivery email address was harvested from news groups to consider
using
defensive tactics WRT email addresses used for news group posts; including
not using a working email address in one case. It _is_ RFC 2822 compliant,
it just doesn't go anywhere.

If you did the counter test and put an email address up on a website that
gets a bit of traffic, then I would predict that you'd get much much more
to
that address.

Harvesting email addresses from web sites is less resource intensive than
harvesting them from news groups. I have seen spam to an email address on
a
web site far sooner after posting than an email address in an NNTP post.
That does not negate the fact that I get a lot of attempts to email
addresses I have used in NNTP posts.

At any rate, the "DON'T EVER POST WITH YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS AS THE SKY
WILL FALL ON YOU" is way overrated, in my opinion, which prompted my
original response.

PA Bear did not tell the OP that the sky would fall upon him. Your opinion
notwithstanding, the advice was not bad, or incorrect.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

Try putting such an email address on a website that gets frequent traffic
hidden in a form and compare the frequency of the spam to that from the NG.
I would predict an order of magnitude less.

steve

"N. Miller" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:20:24 -0800, N. Miller wrote:

None of the email addresses in question, including my "Reply-To:" email
addresses, are found anywhere else than the MSFT NNTP server groups.
Alas, I
am too lazy to work out how to search a network drive on a Windows ME
computer from a Windows XP computer. WinXP search barfed on indexing.
Damn,
I was _sure_ I had disabled that!

Just following up to my own post. I just got a nifty scam email to a very
limited use email address. I posted the email address nearly a year ago,
in
the body of a post to 'microsoft.public.internet.mail'. You can still find
it on Google Groups using the following:

Message-ID:
References: .com

The first is my post, the second is the post I responded to. You can read
the post there, and see the email addresses used. I was going to delete
those email addresses after a week; forgot all bout them until getting the
scam email a while back. They are deleted now.

The mail server log entry:

| T 20070216 134619 45d44ee5 Connection from 212.47.13.211
| T 20070216 134619 45d44ee5 EHLO paegas3.mail-atlas.net
| T 20070216 134620 45d44ee5 MAIL
SIZE=5085
| T 20070216 134622 45d44ee5 RCPT

| T 20070216 134622 45d44ee5 DATA - 102 lines, 5087 bytes.
| T 20070216 134623 45d44ee5 QUIT
| T 20070216 134623 45d44ee5 Connection closed with 212.47.13.211, 4 sec.
elapsed.

You can inspect the actual spam he

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z122792...5c274289906 z

The email address which received this spam was never used, except in the
one
post mentioned above. The poster I responded to never tried either of the
email addresses. They are now both disabled.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.