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Conditional End of Page Break
Okay, I've posted a suggestion. This NG is not among those currently offered
by the Web portal, so I posted in word.pagelayout. I *think* this link will take you directly to that post: http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...6-d798690820a3 -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... FWIW, I have protested this illogical design, and there's a chance it might be changed in a future version if enough people express an interest in and desire for more logical behavior. A feature that has frequently been requested, as well, is a "Keep with previous" setting so that a signature block could always be kept with the previous paragraph without having to format a specific paragraph as "Keep with next." If I remember, I'll post this as a suggestion through the Office Community Web portal, and users can vote on it. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tracy" wrote in message .77... Why so it does - I'll be dipsy doodled! I guess I never thought about it because people I have worked with have usually just been concerned with sending the signature block to the next page by itself and not with specifically what goes with the signature block. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : It is interesting to see that you have the same expectation I used to have about this: that "Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page with the signature block." What Word actually does is push the *entire paragraph* (no matter how long) to the next page. In effect, "Keep with next" here activates "Keep lines together." Although I consider this behavior entirely illogical and unexpected, apparently it is by design. sigh |
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You're right, that's not what I'm looking for. Thanks
anyway. -----Original Message----- The macro would have to resort to breaking the paragraph into two paragraphs by typing a paragraph mark at the point where you want the page to break. I don't think that's what you want. cjd "CJH" wrote in message ... Actually, what I really want is the WP Conditional End of Page which allowed you to set how many lines to keep together (i.e. 8). I was hoping that because I'm still learning Word, it was someplace that I just wasn't looking yet. Don't suppose there's a macro out there that some bright soul has created that will do the same thing? Thanks for all the help. -----Original Message----- What you are looking for is the equivalent of Block Protect in WordPerfect and, unfortunately, Word does not have such a feature. Perhaps you can email them and ask them to create one! -----Original Message----- Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In keeping with this theme though, I find the document will still put a page break between the last line of the paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the signature block, including the empty space before the signature line? -----Original Message----- For the first question, set Keep with next on the Heading style and Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text. For the second question, the Widow/orphan control setting can be used to keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the next page, and Keep with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep lines together will force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if any part of it won't fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want. cjd "CJH" wrote in message . .. I work with large documents with headings and signature blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page with at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph and I want the signature block to be on the same page with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph. I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that style to move the heading to the next page if it can't fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph at the bottom of the page? Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and Page Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page. Obviously, I'm missing something. Your help is appreciated. CJH . . . . |
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Conditional End of Page Break
Too bad. It looks like I'll have to do it manually.
Thanks for the info. I even tried changing my signature style for a 24 pt spacing before (and don't add space between paragraphs of the same style) hoping it would recognize the entire style as one paragraph, but no such luck. Thanks any way. -----Original Message----- You can directly format that last paragraph before the signature block as Keep With Next and Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page with the signature block. Note that Word defines a paragraph as anything that ends with a paragraph mark, i.e., any place you have pressed Enter. So if you have used returns to insert spacing between the last paragraph of the document and the signature block, Keep With Next will instruct Word to keep your paragraph on the same page as the blank line below it, not on the same page as the signature block. "CJH" wrote in news:2dd9101c46a9a : Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In keeping with this theme though, I find the document will still put a page break between the last line of the paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the signature block, including the empty space before the signature line? -----Original Message----- For the first question, set Keep with next on the Heading style and Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text. For the second question, the Widow/orphan control setting can be used to keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the next page, and Keep with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep lines together will force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if any part of it won't fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want. cjd "CJH" wrote in message . .. I work with large documents with headings and signature blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page with at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph and I want the signature block to be on the same page with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph. I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that style to move the heading to the next page if it can't fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph at the bottom of the page? Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and Page Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page. Obviously, I'm missing something. Your help is appreciated. CJH . . |
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You can keep the last paragraph of a letter (all of it, unfortunately) with
the signature block as follows: Last paragraph (apply "Keep with next") Complimentary Close (format this style with some Space Before and After and "Keep with next") Signature (format this style with "Keep with next" [and Space Before if you didn't use Space After on the Complimentary Close]) You should allow the equivalent of three to four lines' space (depending on the size of your signature) between the Complimentary Close and the Signature. This works out to about 36-48 pts Space Before or After. The tricky part is that you cannot make KWN part of the style used for the Body Text of the letter. You can either use a Body Text Last style for the last paragraph or apply KWN manually (easy to do with a toolbar button you can add from Tools | Customize), but if the last paragraph is deleted or another is added after it, you still have to manipulate this manually. Admittedly, this is not a good solution, which is why a "Keep with previous" setting would be so helpful. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "CJH" wrote in message ... Too bad. It looks like I'll have to do it manually. Thanks for the info. I even tried changing my signature style for a 24 pt spacing before (and don't add space between paragraphs of the same style) hoping it would recognize the entire style as one paragraph, but no such luck. Thanks any way. -----Original Message----- You can directly format that last paragraph before the signature block as Keep With Next and Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page with the signature block. Note that Word defines a paragraph as anything that ends with a paragraph mark, i.e., any place you have pressed Enter. So if you have used returns to insert spacing between the last paragraph of the document and the signature block, Keep With Next will instruct Word to keep your paragraph on the same page as the blank line below it, not on the same page as the signature block. "CJH" wrote in news:2dd9101c46a9a : Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In keeping with this theme though, I find the document will still put a page break between the last line of the paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the signature block, including the empty space before the signature line? -----Original Message----- For the first question, set Keep with next on the Heading style and Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text. For the second question, the Widow/orphan control setting can be used to keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the next page, and Keep with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep lines together will force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if any part of it won't fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want. cjd "CJH" wrote in message . .. I work with large documents with headings and signature blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page with at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph and I want the signature block to be on the same page with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph. I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that style to move the heading to the next page if it can't fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph at the bottom of the page? Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and Page Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page. Obviously, I'm missing something. Your help is appreciated. CJH . . |
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Conditional End of Page Break
You may be able to use or adapt this for your signature
block issue. I have a standard paragraph I use before my signature block. I was able to tweak the wording so that the last two lines fit in the row of a table (with the previous lines in the row above). Rather than signature styles, I then put my signature block in the table rows below (using Borders/Shading to make the lines for the signatures and Cell Alignment to make the names appear beneath the lines). Selecting the entire row with the last two lines and then hitting "Format/Paragraph/Keep With Next" keeps that row with the signature block. -----Original Message----- Too bad. It looks like I'll have to do it manually. Thanks for the info. I even tried changing my signature style for a 24 pt spacing before (and don't add space between paragraphs of the same style) hoping it would recognize the entire style as one paragraph, but no such luck. Thanks any way. -----Original Message----- You can directly format that last paragraph before the signature block as Keep With Next and Word will push a couple of lines of it to the page with the signature block. Note that Word defines a paragraph as anything that ends with a paragraph mark, i.e., any place you have pressed Enter. So if you have used returns to insert spacing between the last paragraph of the document and the signature block, Keep With Next will instruct Word to keep your paragraph on the same page as the blank line below it, not on the same page as the signature block. "CJH" wrote in news:2dd9101c46a9a : Thanks so much for your help. So far, so good. In keeping with this theme though, I find the document will still put a page break between the last line of the paragraph and the signature block style. Is there way to make sure that 2 lines of text stay with the rest of the signature block, including the empty space before the signature line? -----Original Message----- For the first question, set Keep with next on the Heading style and Widow/orphan control on the style used for body text. For the second question, the Widow/orphan control setting can be used to keep at least two lines of a paragraph together on the next page, and Keep with next will keep it with the signature block. Keep lines together will force the whole paragraph to move to the next page if any part of it won't fit on the previous page, so that is not what you want. cjd "CJH" wrote in message .. . I work with large documents with headings and signature blocks. I want the headings to stay on the same page with at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph and I want the signature block to be on the same page with at least 2 lines from the preceding paragraph. I'm using a style for the headings. How do I tell that style to move the heading to the next page if it can't fit at least 2 lines of text in the following paragraph at the bottom of the page? Also, when I try to use Format Paragraph Line and Page Breaks Keep With Next or Keep Lines Together for the signature block problem, it moves the entire paragraph instead of just the last 2 lines, to the next page. Obviously, I'm missing something. Your help is appreciated. CJH . . . |
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