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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
cf. http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5441.entry
-- ~PA Bear Windows Live Mail Technologies Support wrote: To correct myself... Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such as Thunderbird. I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently do... Hello All, I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have started on this thread. Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes. Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV. DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle large accounts. This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue full access through your browser. Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available through your browser. -- Scott Hammer Sr. Supportability Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To set for OE General] Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry ====================== Please Note: 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook Express. 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail. 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the installation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Via the web-interface: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop Via your newsreader: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support" crosoft.com wrote in message
... Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available through your browser. -- Scott Hammer Sr. Supportability Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation Scott, The above (1.8 or later) may be somewhat confusing to those having Office available but currently using OE for Hotmail. a. The version number of the current available Outlook Connector on the msft download site is [4] http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en b. On the same site and within the available downloadable *.doc/*.docx file for the current OL Connector is referred to as version 12.0 "Microsoft Office Outlook Connector 12.0" -- winston ms-mvp mail |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook E
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them. Thank you for this information. So does this mean that when the new changes take place on 30 June that: 1-Only HTTP Hotmail will stop working with Outlook Express and POP3 access will carry on as usual? 2- MSN Messenger will stop working unless live mail is installed? 3- One cannot install both live mail and outlook express? I have a subscription hotmail account and currently access it with both POP3 and HTTP with simultaneous syncronization. I do not really wish to change to windows live mail so I really hope that I can continue using Hotmail with POP3. With the new changes I will miss not being able to access "Sent Items" and "Bulk Mail" from Outlook Express on the HTTP server, but so be it. Kind Regards Chris |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook E
If you're currently able to access your Hotmail account in OE or OL /via
POP3/ (e.g., as a Hotmail Plus subscriber or an Outlook Connector user), the change will not affect you. If you're currently able to access your Hotmail account in OE or OL /via WebDAV/ (aka HTML) as a Hotmail Plus subscriber or an Outlook Connector user, you must switch to POP3 access by 30 June 2008; see set-up instrux he http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!171.entry. At some time in the near future, Outlook Connector users will have to upgrade the application. AFAIK MSN/Windows Live Messenger functionality is *not* dependant on having Windows Live Mail installed. (There are specific newsgroups for both Messengers where you can ask about this.) One can have both Windows Live Mail and OE installed (in WinXP SP2) but only one of them can be the default Mail Client. Installing Windows Live Mail in WinXP SP2 will delete your shortcuts to OE in Start menu and Quick Launch bar. -- ~PA Bear Chris wrote: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them. Thank you for this information. So does this mean that when the new changes take place on 30 June that: 1-Only HTTP Hotmail will stop working with Outlook Express and POP3 access will carry on as usual? 2- MSN Messenger will stop working unless live mail is installed? 3- One cannot install both live mail and outlook express? I have a subscription hotmail account and currently access it with both POP3 and HTTP with simultaneous syncronization. I do not really wish to change to windows live mail so I really hope that I can continue using Hotmail with POP3. With the new changes I will miss not being able to access "Sent Items" and "Bulk Mail" from Outlook Express on the HTTP server, but so be it. Kind Regards Chris |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook E
Thanks, just what I needed to know.
Kind Regards Chris |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
"VanguardLH" wrote in message
... ... Found an interesting blog of a meeting at: POP3 on Hotmail Explained: we talk to Omar Shahine http://www.liveside.net/blogs/interview/default.aspx which has the meeting recorded (audio only) at: http://www.liveside.net/files/folder.../download.aspx ... I have to correct something said in that interview: GMAil *DOES* have IMAP support for quite some time now (but I am not very sure when it was introduced, relative to that interview's date). So when DAV support for Hotmail goes away, I think I'll switch completely to GMail. My Hotmail account will probably have the same faith as my Yahoo! account: 100% unused, because of not being able to access it from OE. |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
I am getting in on the tail end of this thread but I access my AT&T(SBC)
High-speed Yahoo account mail box from OE all the time. It is POP3. It ain't free though. OT: In fact, with all this mess about losing access to the one Hotmail account I have, I am considering recreating all my MSN mailboxes in my Yahoo account even though they are mostly POP3 and will continue to work with OE. That will save me $41.90 a month for two MSN dial-up subscriptions. With all the WI-FI hotspots, the need for dial up has pretty much disappeared and if it is really needed AT&T provides it with my wired account. Although, if I wait, maybe Yahoo will become Microsoft and the mailboxes will be moved for me. My real concern is the future viability of Outlook Express. I have over 12 years of mail saved in the Personal Folders. I like OE, there are no rounded corners and it has such a clean, professional looking appearance. It does everything I need from a mail/message application. If this Hotmail change is a Microsoft effort to get as many people off OE as possible then it will not be long afterwards before a Windows update kills OE. Paranoia is a virtue. Bill-R "SaGS" wrote in message ... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... ... Found an interesting blog of a meeting at: POP3 on Hotmail Explained: we talk to Omar Shahine http://www.liveside.net/blogs/interview/default.aspx which has the meeting recorded (audio only) at: http://www.liveside.net/files/folder.../download.aspx ... My Hotmail account will probably have the same faith as my Yahoo! account: 100% unused, because of not being able to access it from OE. |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
N. Miller wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:11:53 +0300, SaGS wrote: My Hotmail account will probably have the same faith as my Yahoo! account: 100% unused, because of not being able to access it from OE. There are third party POP proxies which will work (sometimes) with web mail accounts. In a virtual machine, I tested FreePOPs to see if it worked with free Hotmail accounts. It does, sort of. When it works, it works. It doesn't always work. Don't know if the LUAs (plug-ins) try to use screen scraping or URL parsing to manipulate the webmail site. I had used YahooPOPs for several years. If Yahoo changed enough of the screen or their URLs for navigation then YahooPOPs went dead until the author scrambled to fix it. If Yahoo shoved in their infrequent CAPTCHA security screen during the login process, YahooPOPs could tell you about it but it never worked to try to get YahooPOPs to enter your code because a new login started which would require a different CAPTCHA. FreePOPs doesn't look to have the same level of immediacy in getting problems fixed as did YahooPOPs (which I eventually dropped because it was still to unstable, often requiring me to restart it every couple of days). OTOH, I don't use MSOE except for Hotmail accounts. I have installed WLM. It isn't much better than MSOE, nor worse, really, but it works with Hotmail accounts. Keeping alive my freebie Hotmail accounts is the only reason why I might install Windows Live Hotmail. I only keep them around for 2 reasons: there are some Microsoft sites that require a Passport account and I'd rather not register a non-Hotmail account to get a Passport account to use those sites (I think webcasts are like that), and someday I may have to move which means I lose my e-mail address at my ISP (but there are other free choices). Now that Gmail added IMAP, I might not bother keeping my Hotmail accounts with their DeltaSync's IMAP-like synchronization. DeltaSync sounds great but usually has someone noting that it is developed due to mailboxes that have tens of thousands of e-mails in them in numerous folders. That might be true in a corporate Hotmail account or for a SOHO but not anything I would have for a personal account. With POP3 and repeated polling throughout the day, I have maybe 3 to 6 e-mails waiting for me, at most, for any one mail poll. Most mail polls have nothing to yank. I get a good laugh at the gigabyte wars between Yahoo, Gmail, and Hotmail trying to continually up their disk quota far beyond anything that I would ever use. 100MB is more than I need. If anyone sends me a big e-mail to consume a major portion of my disk quota, they'll get my boot in their butt. E-mail sucks for file transfer. Even Microsoft has their Skyline service to let users put large files up in online storage, and there are plenty of other methods to transfer large files without bloating an e-mail with the text-coded MIME parts for them. For POP3 accounts, I use a combination of Mercury/32 (fetches POP3 email), and Pegasus Mail (reads directly from Mercury/32 message store without configuring for POP3, or SMTP). Does Pegasus support regular expressions (and on any header)? I remember looking at it before but didn't have to test it much. Mercury is a mail server and I wasn't going to go that far to control my e-mails. I suspect that DeltaSync might be technically a better protocol than IMAP but that's not enough for me to bother with it. Unless Microsoft publishes the protocol so other e-mail clients can incorporate it, DeltaSynce will be another one-off experiment by Microsoft to eventually get replaced later by something else that better suites their goals. Although not perfect, POP survived for 28 years and IMAP for 18 years. WebDAV survived 8 years, was proprietary, and its demise was not decided outside of the one entity that created it. And now we're expected to go to another proprietary protocol that survives depending on one entity's decision. If it is so great, they need to publish it and go through the RFC process so it really does become a standard. One e-mail provider using a proprietary protcol for which only their e-mail clients will work is not what I want to lock myself into. Yes, I can pay them to use non-proprietary protocols but I don't need to. Webmail access (the only access method that has survived), give POP3 access, drop POP3 access except for legacy accounts, WebDAV for all accounts, drop WebDAV except for paid and legacy accounts, bring back POP3 but only for some accounts, drop WebDAV completely, then go to DeltaSync. That's 7 changes 12 years, maybe more if I missed some of them. No wonder users have difficulties figuring out how to access a Hotmail account. "What's it this year?" |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
I am getting in on the tail end of this thread but I access my AT&T(SBC)
High-speed Yahoo account mail box from OE all the time. It is POP3. It ain't free though. [psst See http://ypopsemail.com/] Although, if I wait, maybe Yahoo will become Microsoft and the mailboxes will be moved for me. While MS has been trying to acquire Yahoo Search, it's not been trying to acquire Yahoo so you may have a very long wait! ...If this Hotmail change is a Microsoft effort to get as many people off OE as possible then it will not be long afterwards before a Windows update kills OE. Highly doubtful so take off your tin-foil beany, please. While all OE development stopped in 2006, OE will be supported and critical security updates will be available for OE as long as the Windows version in which OE is running is supported. If you install WinXP SP3 (cf. http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...173&SiteID=17), this policy will extend into 2014, Bill. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Bill Rankin wrote: I am getting in on the tail end of this thread but I access my AT&T(SBC) High-speed Yahoo account mail box from OE all the time. It is POP3. It ain't free though. OT: In fact, with all this mess about losing access to the one Hotmail account I have, I am considering recreating all my MSN mailboxes in my Yahoo account even though they are mostly POP3 and will continue to work with OE. That will save me $41.90 a month for two MSN dial-up subscriptions. With all the WI-FI hotspots, the need for dial up has pretty much disappeared and if it is really needed AT&T provides it with my wired account. Although, if I wait, maybe Yahoo will become Microsoft and the mailboxes will be moved for me. My real concern is the future viability of Outlook Express. I have over 12 years of mail saved in the Personal Folders. I like OE, there are no rounded corners and it has such a clean, professional looking appearance. It does everything I need from a mail/message application. If this Hotmail change is a Microsoft effort to get as many people off OE as possible then it will not be long afterwards before a Windows update kills OE. Paranoia is a virtue. "SaGS" wrote in message ... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... ... Found an interesting blog of a meeting at: POP3 on Hotmail Explained: we talk to Omar Shahine http://www.liveside.net/blogs/interview/default.aspx which has the meeting recorded (audio only) at: http://www.liveside.net/files/folder.../download.aspx ... My Hotmail account will probably have the same faith as my Yahoo! account: 100% unused, because of not being able to access it from OE. |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
What will happen to my mom who uses OE WIN98SE with DSL off of our XP network
home hub to get email from msn, sbc and gmail accounts? She manages groups for seniors and keeps it all organized by the email address but is able to deal with all of it in WIN98SE OE - The MSN accts appear to be http, the sbc and gmail are pop/smtp - I'm not an expert, just want to prepare her. She'd love to keep things just the way she uses it now... "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To set for OE General] Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry ====================== Please Note: 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook Express. 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail. 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the installation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Via the web-interface: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop Via your newsreader: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |
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