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Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?
"Mark Nelson [MS]" wrote: I'm sorry to provide bad news, and I recognize that Microsoft has not provided enough of a product road map for database modelers. Hopefully we will do a better job before the next release of Visio. -- Mark Nelson Microsoft Corporation I still use venerable but excellent pre-MS Visio Technical 4.1 together with Visio Prof 2000, because of the loss of functionality and the agricultural graphics filters. I wasted money on Visio 2002 and uninstalled it after a week in disgust and reinstalled V2000. It was the last version of Visio I'll buy. The simple reality is that Microsoft has lost the plot. I'm starting to wish that MS goes the same way as PanAm. Pemo -- ,-._|\ / Oz \ Melbourne \_,--.x/ Australia v |
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Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?
"Mark Nelson [MS]" wrote: I'm sorry to provide bad news, and I recognize that Microsoft has not provided enough of a product road map for database modelers. Hopefully we will do a better job before the next release of Visio. -- Mark Nelson Microsoft Corporation I still use venerable but excellent pre-MS Visio Technical 4.1 together with Visio Prof 2000, because of the loss of functionality and the agricultural graphics filters. I wasted money on Visio 2002 and uninstalled it after a week in disgust and reinstalled V2000. It was the last version of Visio I'll buy. The simple reality is that Microsoft has lost the plot. I'm starting to wish that MS goes the same way as PanAm. Pemo -- ,-._|\ / Oz \ Melbourne \_,--.x/ Australia v |
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Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?
Anywhere I can get a features list for Visio Technical 4.1?
I may be sending back my newly purchased Visio Pro 2003 and it sounds as if there are database and modelling features I would prefer in these older versions. (I finally gave up on my Visio 1.0 because no one else seemed to be able to open the drawings.) I do like Pro 2003 much, much better, but never looked at anything in between. Thanks Bill "Pemo" wrote in message ... "Mark Nelson [MS]" wrote: I'm sorry to provide bad news, and I recognize that Microsoft has not provided enough of a product road map for database modelers. Hopefully we will do a better job before the next release of Visio. -- Mark Nelson Microsoft Corporation I still use venerable but excellent pre-MS Visio Technical 4.1 together with Visio Prof 2000, because of the loss of functionality and the agricultural graphics filters. I wasted money on Visio 2002 and uninstalled it after a week in disgust and reinstalled V2000. It was the last version of Visio I'll buy. The simple reality is that Microsoft has lost the plot. I'm starting to wish that MS goes the same way as PanAm. Pemo -- ,-._|\ / Oz \ Melbourne \_,--.x/ Australia v |
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Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?
Perhaps you're being sarcastic, but all versions of Visio should be able to
open Visio 1.0 drawings. -- Mark Nelson Microsoft Corporation This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "bill" wrote in message news:TseSc.1372$Iv.615@trndny03... Anywhere I can get a features list for Visio Technical 4.1? I may be sending back my newly purchased Visio Pro 2003 and it sounds as if there are database and modelling features I would prefer in these older versions. (I finally gave up on my Visio 1.0 because no one else seemed to be able to open the drawings.) I do like Pro 2003 much, much better, but never looked at anything in between. Thanks Bill "Pemo" wrote in message ... "Mark Nelson [MS]" wrote: I'm sorry to provide bad news, and I recognize that Microsoft has not provided enough of a product road map for database modelers. Hopefully we will do a better job before the next release of Visio. -- Mark Nelson Microsoft Corporation I still use venerable but excellent pre-MS Visio Technical 4.1 together with Visio Prof 2000, because of the loss of functionality and the agricultural graphics filters. I wasted money on Visio 2002 and uninstalled it after a week in disgust and reinstalled V2000. It was the last version of Visio I'll buy. The simple reality is that Microsoft has lost the plot. I'm starting to wish that MS goes the same way as PanAm. Pemo -- ,-._|\ / Oz \ Melbourne \_,--.x/ Australia v |
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Visio Abandoning Software/Database Modellers?
"bill" wrote : Anywhere I can get a features list for Visio Technical 4.1? I may be sending back my newly purchased Visio Pro 2003 and it sounds as if there are database and modelling features I would prefer in these older versions. (I finally gave up on my Visio 1.0 because no one else seemed to be able to open the drawings.) I do like Pro 2003 much, much better, but never looked at anything in between. In terms of "features", pre-MS Visio Technical 4.1 is pretty much similar to later versions, except for the Technical influence in its templates/stencils. All of those templates/stencils work quite happily with later versions. It is in certain functions that Technical 4.1 performs better than the later versions. Its graphics filters (Save As...) are much better. Its handling of complex shapes is far better. Can't understand why MS retrograded and degraded the software. Can't understand why MS dropped the technical aspects, either. Visio 2002 was a waste of money. It gathers dust in a corner. As for 2003 and later, I'll never know. I'll never buy Visio again. MS have wrecked an excellent product. I'll stick with Visio Technical 4.1 and 2000. I've already moved back to WordPerfect suite; I've already moved to Mozilla Firefox; next step is away from Outlook Express. Then for Linux. A MS-free world!! Smell the roses!!! Pemo -- ,-._|\ / Oz \ Melbourne \_,--.x/ Australia v |
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"Pemo" wrote in message
... Can't understand why MS dropped the technical aspects, either. Ever since the release of Visio Professional, there was always the issue of which one to buy, most users required both. Though it is true that Visio Technical has been dropped, the content (or most of it) in Visio Technical is now part of Visio Professional. Pemo |
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I must be missing something here... I have Visual Studio .NET Architect 2003
and I've been struggling to find an option to install the Visio portion. Due to the fact that the data modelling was removed the tool was also rendered useless for me ... without the data modelling Visio is very comparable to a free tool such as DIA http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ "John Marshall, MVP" wrote: "Pemo" wrote in message ... Can't understand why MS dropped the technical aspects, either. Ever since the release of Visio Professional, there was always the issue of which one to buy, most users required both. Though it is true that Visio Technical has been dropped, the content (or most of it) in Visio Technical is now part of Visio Professional. Pemo |
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I must be missing something here... I have Visual Studio .NET Architect
2003 and I've been struggling to find an option to install the Visio portion. Is is on a seperate CD, labeled something like "Visio for Enterprise Architects". Due to the fact that the data modelling was removed the tool was also rendered useless for me ... without the data modelling Visio is very comparable to a free tool such as DIA That data modeling functionality is part of VEA, with some limited functionality in Visio Pro (no forward engineering, ORM, etc.). HTH, Scot. ................................................ Scot Becker Orthogonal Software www.orthogonalsoftware.com ORM Blog: www.objectrolemodeling.com To e-mail me, please use my first name at the domain listed above. All mail sent to the reply-to address gets routed to a junk e-mail folder where it will likely be deleted without being read. |
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