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MS Visio support
On Jul 22, 4:56*pm, Bill Sharpe wrote:
Spence wrote: In article , Bill Sharpe wrote: Not bad for a start, but there's not much there yet. But I wouldn't say it's "far better than the forum here." I'd get rid of the smiley and frowning cartoon faces, though. They aren't needed and take up too much real estate. Basically clutter to content ratio of about 10:1. AFAICS no ability to mark items as read so you know what's new since last visit. Some people obviously have too much time on their hands. May I suggest a visit to Edward Tufte's site,http://www.edwardtufte.com and look up his topic, Interface Hall of Shame. "Start Simple and broaden out from there ONLY as absolutely required" is one suggestion found there that I think should apply to uzzer's Visio forum effort. Bill "Start Simple and broaden out from there ONLY as absolutely required" Tell that to the guys who designed MS Office and Vista and Groove and... |
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"Basically clutter to content ratio of about 10:1. AFAICS no ability to
mark items as read so you know what's new since last visit." Well, believe it or not, I am in no way affiliated with GetSatisfaction and the only reason I posted this suggestion is because I sincerely believe it would be of great benefit to both Visio users and developers. I listed my arguments in support of my suggestion. I will repeat them; not out of stubborness but for the reason to show you that there might possibly be a better support platform than this forum here. GS supports RSS. You can enjoy clutter-free design in your favourite RSS reader and you can mark items as read since your last visit. RSS is not clutter. In GS a user can mark an issue as "resolved" and a user can even mark it as "no longer resolved" if the problem appears again. In GS a user can upload a screenshot to better explain a problem or an idea. What is more clutter - writing a few paragraphs to explain in which menu, you clicked what and happened what or upload a couple of screenshots where everything is immediately visible? If you were to help a user, do you prefer to read numerous lines of text or see an image where the important stuff is encircled in red (in MS Paint for instance) and there are just a few words to describe what's wrong? When you post a new message the GS automatically searches for posts contaning the same keywords so as to prevent duplicating posts. IN GS you can edit your posts. If it just came to your mind to add an importan detail, add a screenshot or explain things in simpler terms you can do that. Last but not least - I can log into my GS account without any problem from Opera or FireFox while it takes at least three attempts and several error messages until I log into my account here, I mentioned this in the above posts of mine. |
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In article , =?Utf-8?B?
dXp6ZXI=?= wrote: GS supports RSS. You can enjoy clutter-free design in your favourite RSS reader and you can mark items as read since your last visit. RSS is not clutter. Does RSS support threading of messages? Last but not least - I can log into my GS account without any problem from Opera or FireFox while it takes at least three attempts and several error messages until I log into my account here, I mentioned this in the above posts of mine. I use a 10-year old offline newsreader for all newsgroups. Maybe 2-3 problems a year connecting to 5 news servers up to twice a day. I actually like web interfaces when they are usable. I just don't see GS as usable yet. -- Spence |
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In article , =?Utf-8?B?
dXp6ZXI=?= wrote: Last but not least - I can log into my GS account without any problem from Opera or FireFox while it takes at least three attempts and several error messages until I log into my account here, I mentioned this in the above posts of mine. Just realised what you said here. What do you mean "Log In"? This is a public newsgroup and no login is required. You could well be better off using an application designed for accessing newsgroups, at the very least Outlook Express will do that for you. -- Spence |
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Just realised what you said here. What do you mean "Log In"? This is a
public newsgroup and no login is required. You could well be better off using an application designed for accessing newsgroups, at the very least Outlook Express will do that for you. I tried to test this by clicking "Reply". Apart from that that I received an error page for the n-th time again, in the fourth, finally successful attempt I was propmted for log-in. So obviously I cannot participate in the discussion without a registration. RSS supports threading messages (my reader is RSSOwl). |
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Guess I'll add my two cents worth. For the most part, I find the present
Forum to be satisfactory. True, there may be some features that could be added that would enhance it's useaility, e.g., topic, keyword search. But what makes this Forum work so well is the quality of the responders, both normal users, but also those key individuals that have direct ties with Visio. Most other forums cannot claim this. In addition, the people here aren't rude. I like knowing that I will as likely receive a response from an MVP as I will from seasoned, veteran Visio users. That wealth of knowledge and experience is priceless. Nonetheless, you've made your case and provided the access to this marvelous alternatie. Whether or not it's blossoms and this forum wilts is up to the individual participatants. But, from my perspective, all of the bells and whistles are useless if the answers are wrong, misleading, incomplete, or inadequate. IMHO, Wapperdude "uzzer" wrote: Hi, I've set an MS Visio support group at GetSatisfaction: http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft...osoft_ms_visio. It's far better than the forum here, has RSS, tags, interactive profiles and all. So be welcome there ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....visio.general |
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In article , =?Utf-8?B?
dXp6ZXI=?= wrote: I tried to test this by clicking "Reply". Apart from that that I received an error page for the n-th time again, in the fourth, finally successful attempt I was propmted for log-in. So obviously I cannot participate in the discussion without a registration. Try using a newsreader rather than a browser. There are a number around, 40tude is a freeware newsreader. -- Spence |
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Yes, RSS supports threading of messages.
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:50:01 -0700, uzzer
wrote: I suggested a promising support platform, maybe the most advanced you can find, a platform extremely necessary to replace this long outdated and awkward newsgroup and you are telling me about the legal bul***. Why duplicate effort? If you want a web-based forum then have a look at Chris Roth's Visio Guy forum http://www.visguy.com/vgforum/ As has been emphasised elsewhere in this thread, usenet is a very efficient message distribution mechanism, more so if you use a proper threading newsreader. -- Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd http://www.electronics-packages.sandrila.co.uk/ |
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