Dissapearing bullets

I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two areas that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style the the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the style name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the problem area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied which has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is applied to it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter but still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

PS

The orginal document has the bullet level linked to the correct style, as
does the teplate on which it is based and so does the the Style that gets
copied over.

But after the style has been copied, the level is linked to "No Style"

Could this be a clue? and if so what do you think is causing it?

Thanks

"Gem_man" wrote:

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied which has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is applied to it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter but still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

By the way, when I do the CTRL Q thing on the bullets after the style has
been copied across, they correct themslves t what they should be. This is
driving me nuts. Mr Gates will not be getting an xmas card this year.


"Gem_man" wrote:

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied which has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is applied to it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter but still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

I would suggest you post in the numbering NG.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
PS

The orginal document has the bullet level linked to the correct style, as
does the teplate on which it is based and so does the the Style that gets
copied over.

But after the style has been copied, the level is linked to "No Style"

Could this be a clue? and if so what do you think is causing it?

Thanks

"Gem_man" wrote:

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done
programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to
appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the
thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied which
has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is applied to
it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter but
still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs
and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style
formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the
source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two
areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one
set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying
over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style
the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style
screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the
style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog
screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the
problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing
wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

Sorry Suzanne, I dont know what you mean by "post in the numbering NG"

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I would suggest you post in the numbering NG.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
PS

The orginal document has the bullet level linked to the correct style, as
does the teplate on which it is based and so does the the Style that gets
copied over.

But after the style has been copied, the level is linked to "No Style"

Could this be a clue? and if so what do you think is causing it?

Thanks

"Gem_man" wrote:

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done
programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to
appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the
thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied which
has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is applied to
it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter but
still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs
and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style
formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the
source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two
areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one
set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying
over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style
the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style
screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the
style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog
screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the
problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing
wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

I mean that you are more likely to get knowledgeable answers in you post in
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...word.numbering (also accessible
at
http://communities2.microsoft.com/co...&lang=en&cr=US).


--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
Sorry Suzanne, I dont know what you mean by "post in the numbering NG"

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I would suggest you post in the numbering NG.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
PS

The orginal document has the bullet level linked to the correct style,
as
does the teplate on which it is based and so does the the Style that
gets
copied over.

But after the style has been copied, the level is linked to "No Style"

Could this be a clue? and if so what do you think is causing it?

Thanks

"Gem_man" wrote:

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done
programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to
appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the
thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual
formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied
which
has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is
applied to
it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter
but
still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been
applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the
paragraphs
and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style
formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in
the
source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two
areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made,
one
set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying
over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then
style
the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the
style
screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the
style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles
dialog
screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the
problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing
wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you

I can confirm this is a problem - Word often seems reapply numbering as
direct formatting on pasting into a document, sometimes getting the format
wrong in the process. If you have Word 2003 and can protect for styles that
will prevent it happening, as then Word does seem to respect the target
style absolutely. (See
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...376f364d?tvc=1
)

Alternatively you can use VBA to 'do the Ctrl-Q thing' - there is a Reset
method on the Paragraph object which will do the trick, or you can reapply
the style.

You might want to look at
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...4fc34015?tvc=1

which is another description of the problem, though I don't know that Julie
ever got a definitive workaround.

I'm cross posting this to the numbering group, since I think your finding on
the link is a good clue that might link in with the previous discussion.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
PS

The orginal document has the bullet level linked to the correct style, as
does the teplate on which it is based and so does the the Style that gets
copied over.

But after the style has been copied, the level is linked to "No Style"

Could this be a clue? and if so what do you think is causing it?

Thanks

"Gem_man" wrote:

Thanks for the reply Suzanne

The problem is that the copying of the styles is being done
programatically
and doing the Ctrl Q thing is not really an option as I want this to
appear
perfect each time the style is copied across.

There are several issues that I am getting to the bottom of but the
thing I
cant get my head around is the following:-

The style of the bullet in the orginal document (no manual formatting is
present) remains unaltered after the new style has been applied which
has a
different bullet style attached to that style.

In other words the original bullet style overides whatever is applied to
it
latterly.

I have followed an excellent article by Shauna Kelly to the letter but
still
have no joy.

How can the original format persist after a new style has been applied?

Many thanks



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Instead of going to Format | Style, try just selecting the paragraphs
and
pressing Ctrl+Q to reset the paragraphs to the default style
formatting.
It's possible that the bullets were added as direct formatting in the
source
document.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Gem_man" wrote in message
...
I would be most grateful for assistance in a baffling problem.

I have a multipage document that among other things contains two
areas
that
are bulleted.

When I copy the styles from a style template that I have made, one
set of
bulleted text shows without its bullets.

I thought there was a problem with the styles that I was copying
over, but
if I highlight the bulleted text, and go to formats and then style
the
the
bullets magically appear again. Even if I do nothing to the style
screen.

The styles name for this text that I am copying over matches the
style
name
of the problem text and does show as bulleted on the styles dialog
screen.

I have, to my knowledge, removed any manual formatting from the
problem
area
prior to copying over the styles

I have spent hours on this and cannot understand what I am doing
wrong.

Any suggestions? Thank you