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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
To be fair, I have had minimal problems getting used to the ribbon myself.
It turns out that for word processing and mail, I actually use a small subset of the available commands. Having found all the ones I need, I am pretty well off. Being retired and paying $25.00 for the full professional version at the college where I take language classes, I am not so concerned about the learning curse issue. The college has had it on all their computers for over a year now. However, She Who Gives Orders Around Here is not happy with it. Now that's a problem. She's getting my old copy of Office 2003 on her new laptop. Earle "Gemini" wrote in message ... mpm, MS has no plans to offer the classic menus as an option, despite many requests from long time users. As Earle notes, that would be admitting they were wrong in the first place. You aren't the first one to ask about reverting to the classic UI and you certainly won't be the last. Like you, I didn't see any value in learning the Ribbon rubbish after using the trial version for a few weeks. For me, it was a productivity killer. Another added headache was Excel kept crashing randomly. Hence I decided not to shell out the $$$s MS wanted for Office 2007 and reverted to Office 2003. Voila! Productivity back to normal and no more crashes. The only way to get the classic menus is to install third party add-ins. Some are free and you'll have to pony up more $$$s for some. That's been posted here many, many times. You may want to let MS know how you feel about the Ribbon. There's a link to send them feedback from the MS site (the Office section). hth! -- Gemini "mpm2008" wrote: I bought Office 2007 to stay current with the latest software but the ribbon menu just isn't working out. I don't understand why it was decided to reinvent the user interface and not provide an option for the legacy menu configuration. Every time I attempt to use the software, within 5 minutes I find myself searching for commands and get completely defocused. The software reminds me of a hijacked version of Office 2003 that a no name company would give away for free. I bought the 3 license version but can't afford to cripple any of my other computers. Hopefully, an option for the old menus will be added in the near future. |
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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
"I am not so concerned about the learning curse issue. "
That's hitting the nail on the head! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Earle Horton" wrote in message ... To be fair, I have had minimal problems getting used to the ribbon myself. It turns out that for word processing and mail, I actually use a small subset of the available commands. Having found all the ones I need, I am pretty well off. Being retired and paying $25.00 for the full professional version at the college where I take language classes, I am not so concerned about the learning curse issue. The college has had it on all their computers for over a year now. However, She Who Gives Orders Around Here is not happy with it. Now that's a problem. She's getting my old copy of Office 2003 on her new laptop. Earle |
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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
"Earle Horton" wrote in message
... To be fair, I have had minimal problems getting used to the ribbon myself. It turns out that for word processing and mail, I actually use a small subset of the available commands. Having found all the ones I need, I am pretty well off. As a recently-retired Systems Accountant, I can tell you that that is precisely how the vast majority of Office users work, certainly in a commercial environment. Most of them deal with a small number of types of document on a regular and daily basis and so use a relatively small number of commands frequently. These can be put on the QAT and this makes 2007 more efficient than 2003 or prior. Also the available customisation of 2003 and prior has been a support desk nightmare.... |
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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
Gemini wrote:
"Vast majority"? I'll bet Milly will not be able to post solid, verifiable data to back up her claim. That's merely her opinion and she's trying to pass it off as fact. Several posters have asked Jensen Harris for the same data (see JH's blog). So far, JH has maintained a solid silence to those queries. -- Gemini yawn...as soon as I saw that Subject line I knew you'd be in the middle of this...again common sense would lead one to understand that: 1. those that don't like something complain about it 2. those that don't have a problem with that same something, don't complain about it. so, you've now got a bunch of complainers on the record but no non complainers. How in the world could anyone come up with "solid, verifiable data" so support what common sense makes perfectly clear? Dave DDP |
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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
Well, I know for a fact that I don't need your or anyone else's permission to
concur or disagree with the OP. If you've read the posts here, you'd see there are some here that do like the Ribbon think, yourself included. Every time I've seen someone post that they don't like the Ribbon, there's some pro-Ribbon posters who pop out of the woodwork claiming it's the best thing since sliced bread. Data? It's common sense. Posters here (read Milly Staples' post on this very thread) are claiming that the Ribbon is a success. So does Jensen Harris on his blog. What's the basis? How do they know? I've seen posts here that claimed MS conducted "usability studies" (or whatever) that indicated the Ribbon was an outstanding success. If we were to go by your claim about there not being any data to support the "success" of the Ribbon, then you're essentially stating that all claims about the Ribbon's success are merely claims/speculation and are not backed up by any data whatsoever. Ergo, pro-Ribbon posters here and MS are claiming success with the Ribbon without a shred of evidence. Oh yes, if my posts bore you, you're under no obligation to read them and/or respond to them. Based on the responses from some diehard pro-Ribbon posters here, the modus operandi appears to be claiming success for the Ribbon first. When that can't be substantiated with any solid data, start denigrating those who aren't enamored with it. That's not exactly the response I'd expect from mature posters. Oh well! -- Gemini "Dave Jones" wrote: yawn...as soon as I saw that Subject line I knew you'd be in the middle of this...again common sense would lead one to understand that: 1. those that don't like something complain about it 2. those that don't have a problem with that same something, don't complain about it. so, you've now got a bunch of complainers on the record but no non complainers. How in the world could anyone come up with "solid, verifiable data" so support what common sense makes perfectly clear? Dave DDP |
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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
It passed spell check too!
Earle "Val" wrote in message ... "I am not so concerned about the learning curse issue. " That's hitting the nail on the head! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Earle Horton" wrote in message ... To be fair, I have had minimal problems getting used to the ribbon myself. It turns out that for word processing and mail, I actually use a small subset of the available commands. Having found all the ones I need, I am pretty well off. Being retired and paying $25.00 for the full professional version at the college where I take language classes, I am not so concerned about the learning curse issue. The college has had it on all their computers for over a year now. However, She Who Gives Orders Around Here is not happy with it. Now that's a problem. She's getting my old copy of Office 2003 on her new laptop. Earle |
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Gemini wrote:
Well, I know for a fact that I don't need your or anyone else's permission to concur or disagree with the OP. where did anyone say you needed permission to do anything?? If you've read the posts here, you'd see there are some here that do like the Ribbon think, yourself included. Every time I've seen someone post that they don't like the Ribbon, there's some pro-Ribbon posters who pop out of the woodwork claiming it's the best thing since sliced bread. there's maybe 4 or 5 max posters here who continually defend the Ribbon as ardently as you post anti Ribbon sentiment. I'm not one of them. I've posted that I don't mind the Ribbon but that, given the option to revert back to the older GUI, I would have done so. Not exactly a "pro-Ribbon poster". Data? It's common sense. Posters here (read Milly Staples' post on this very thread) are claiming that the Ribbon is a success. So does Jensen Harris on his blog. What's the basis? How do they know? I've seen posts here that claimed MS conducted "usability studies" (or whatever) that indicated the Ribbon was an outstanding success. I'm not arguing the Ribbons success or lack of success. If we were to go by your claim about there not being any data to support the "success" of the Ribbon, then you're essentially stating that all claims about the Ribbon's success are merely claims/speculation and are not backed up by any data whatsoever. Ergo, pro-Ribbon posters here and MS are claiming success with the Ribbon without a shred of evidence. You're putting words in my mouth again. I didn't claim that there *wasn't any* data, I merely stated that IMO common sense would lead one to believe that the data would be heavily slanted towards those who don't like the Ribbon, or, that was my intent anyway. Oh yes, if my posts bore you, you're under no obligation to read them and/or respond to them. Based on the responses from some diehard pro-Ribbon posters here, the modus operandi appears to be claiming success for the Ribbon first. When that can't be substantiated with any solid data, start denigrating those who aren't enamored with it. That's not exactly the response I'd expect from mature posters. Oh well! -- Gemini I actually enjoy your posts. "Denigrating"...I think that's a bit of a stretch. Again, I'm not on the "the Ribbon's the greatest thing since sliced bread" bandwagon. I'm merely posting an opinion regarding your continual requirement for "hard data". There ain't ever going to be any hard data. There will never ever be an agreement between the Ribbon likers and the Ribbon don't likers. So, get beyond it. And, as one of the way older crowd I'm way more mature than I'd like to be... Dave DDP "Dave Jones" wrote: yawn...as soon as I saw that Subject line I knew you'd be in the middle of this...again common sense would lead one to understand that: 1. those that don't like something complain about it 2. those that don't have a problem with that same something, don't complain about it. so, you've now got a bunch of complainers on the record but no non complainers. How in the world could anyone come up with "solid, verifiable data" so support what common sense makes perfectly clear? Dave DDP |
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When will the old menus be returned to Excel and Word?
"there's maybe 4 or 5 max posters here who cntinually defend the Ribbon
as ardently as you post anti Ribbon sentiment." Dave, I don't care about the Ribbon. "Ardently" is a stretch, to say the least. I decided to voice my support to those who don't like the Ribbon, are having a hard time with it, etc., because of those pro-Ribbon posters who choose to denigrate those who aren't infatuated with the Ribbon. Take a look at Peter Foldes' response in this very thread. Recently, on another thread, a poster had observed that there are several MVPs who indulge in similar behavior. To me, such responses are juvenile, to say the least. "I merely stated that IMO common sense would lead one to believe that the data would be heavily slanted towards those who don't like the Ribbon, or, that was my intent anyway." I respectfully disagree. JH has claimed success for the Ribbon, as have the pro-Ribbon crowd here. Milly Staples did that on this very thread. She's argued with me before on the same point. I've seen posters claim that MS has conducted usability studies and determined that the Ribbon is a success. There's no question of the data being slanted in favor of those who don't like the Ribbon. Besides the survey on ExcelUser, I haven't seen anyone else conduct a broad based survey and come up with data. MS isn't exactly likely to publish the data they've collected (per their own claims and claims made by some posters here), if the results don't back up the "success" of the Ribbon thing. "I actually enjoy your posts." G I'll take that as a compliment. " "Denigrating"...I think that's a bit of a stretch." Read Peter Foldes' response on this very thread. There's an example. "I'm merely posting an opinion regarding your continual requirement for "hard data"." Dave, the reason I repeat that is the pro-Ribbon crowd here keeps crowing about the success of the Ribbon and claiming there's a small proportion of users who don't like the Ribbon. What's the basis for those claims? Zip nothing. Every time I ask them for supporting data, they'll either resort to juvenile responses or disappear from the thread. "There will never ever be an agreement between the Ribbon likers and the Ribbon don't likers. So, get beyond it." I know that. Like I said, I don't care what happens to the Ribbon. MS can keep it. So long as Office sports that ugly appendage, they're not getting my business, for sure. I'm sure Gates isn't going to lose any sleep because I'm not buying Office 2007. However, I do take issue with the behavior of the pro-Ribbon crowd as well as the tall claims they keep making about the Ribbon's success. -- Gemini |
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