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OE Tool problem
Good luck to you. G
steve "jt3" wrote in message = ... Thanks. Will try again when I can--machine went down this PM and I = may be a while getting it back up. Good luck, Joe "Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... No problem. I suspect its a resource issue, given the machine you = have. That function of the program simulates the user actions, and its a = hack, and I expect its going too fast for your system to catch up with. =20 What occured to me that what you might try is a defrag and see if that = has an effect. =20 cheers, =20 steve =20 "jt3" wrote in message ... I'm sorry I wasn't clear. One cannot exit at that point because = the application and machine are hung and there is no response to the = mouse. But in any event I did not mean my post as a complaint but in the spirit = of providing you some information, should you be looking at your code sometime, in the spirit of your statement, 'This issue is being investigated.' It does this with regularity on this machine, and in the same = spirit I'll mention that a possibility that this suggests to me is one of = timing, since this is a 486 DX4-100 VL bus machine, 64 MB RAM, using a = Promise VL-Bus controller to operate HDs and CDR/RW drive, along with an = UltraStor VL-Bus SCSI adapter to operate a scanner, so I am used to having = things stretched as far as they will go, you see. Since the machine doesn't take well to loading, I generally unload = all the excess stuff using MSCONFIG to get maximum access to both the bus = and memory, and the machine does tolerably well, for such an old one, = except on pages with too much scripting, etc. Anyhow, the point is that it's normally very reliable, but on the = times it's given me trouble, the issues have been suggestive of timing precision, and though that might be hard to translate through the layers of 9x, perhaps it will provide some help. Best of Luck, Joe "Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and = why on others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, = since I can't reproduce it with regularity. Sorry. You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on = the icon in the system tray and choosing exit. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); = still the same: 1) click on toggle text mode: button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen. 2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still HTML); retry, 3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: = General 3 comes up, at this point, it hangs. 4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works = OK. 5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, = Plain text, and it worked just fine. Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, = i.e., having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the = toggle then. Joe Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure = out why they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all running programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I = think when system resources are very limited, then these problems are exacerbated. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to = work properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the = Options menu comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General 3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't = get the toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a = switch--just keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest = that such a case is hopeless on 98SE--that so? Thanks, Joe =20 |
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I don't think Win98 has that capability. I'm not sure how the kernel =
works there, but I don't think you can set the priority. Its just a = very old machine with low memory. I could test on my clunker, but its = not set up right now. steve "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message = ... "Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... QP No problem. I suspect its a resource issue, given the machine you = have. That function of the program simulates the user actions, and its a = hack, and I expect its going too fast for your system to catch up with. /QP =20 Does Win 98 have anything analogous to NT's task priority? (e.g. set by Task Manager or from command line) If so you might be able to give it the response it needs that way. =20 =20 --- =20 =20 =20 What occured to me that what you might try is a defrag and see if that = has an effect. =20 cheers, =20 steve =20 "jt3" wrote in message = ... I'm sorry I wasn't clear. One cannot exit at that point because = the application and machine are hung and there is no response to the = mouse. But in any event I did not mean my post as a complaint but in the spirit = of providing you some information, should you be looking at your code = sometime, in the spirit of your statement, 'This issue is being investigated.' It does this with regularity on this machine, and in the same = spirit I'll mention that a possibility that this suggests to me is one of = timing, since this is a 486 DX4-100 VL bus machine, 64 MB RAM, using a = Promise VL-Bus controller to operate HDs and CDR/RW drive, along with an = UltraStor VL-Bus SCSI adapter to operate a scanner, so I am used to having = things stretched as far as they will go, you see. Since the machine doesn't take well to loading, I generally unload = all the excess stuff using MSCONFIG to get maximum access to both the bus = and memory, and the machine does tolerably well, for such an old one, = except on pages with too much scripting, etc. Anyhow, the point is that it's normally very reliable, but on the = times it's given me trouble, the issues have been suggestive of timing = precision, and though that might be hard to translate through the layers of 9x, = perhaps it will provide some help. Best of Luck, Joe "Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and = why on others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, = since I can't reproduce it with regularity. Sorry. You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on = the icon in the system tray and choosing exit. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); = still the same: 1) click on toggle text mode: button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen. 2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon = still HTML); retry, 3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: = General 3 comes up, at this point, it hangs. 4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works = OK. 5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, = Plain text, and it worked just fine. Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, = i.e., having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the = toggle then. Joe Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure = out why they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all running programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I = think when system resources are very limited, then these problems are exacerbated. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to = work properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the = Options menu comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., = General 3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't = get the toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a = switch--just keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest = that such a case is hopeless on 98SE--that so? Thanks, Joe =20 =20 |
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He said that only happened once, so I would think it was just an anomaly =
that reflects the lack of resources issue. If it were consistent, then = I'd check the runtime. It wouldn't hurt to reinstall it. steve "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message = ... =20 "jt3" wrote in message = ... Postscript: I forgot to add that once it gave: OETool performed an illegal opration and will be shutdown. Exception 10h in MSVBVM60.DLL @ 0167:660d0956 Sorry, I didn't do a dump. Don't know if any of this is a help, or = if you're tired of it or what, but, best of luck. =20 One thing you should do when you see something like this is verify the version of the module. If you have installed anything else = recently which was also written in Visual Basic it might have installed an = older version of the virtual machine (i.e. regressed the one that Steve's = program prefers.) =20 I think that there may actually be a set of modules which you could = check for consistency at the same time too. =20 titleKB190130 - INFO: Description of VB 6.0 Run Time and OLE = Automation Files/title =20 I can't find any precise documentation about the contents of the = run-time redistributable but if necessary you could download it and expand it = to find out which ones are actually included. =20 =20 --- =20 =20 J "Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and = why on others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, = since I can't reproduce it with regularity. Sorry. You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on = the icon in the system tray and choosing exit. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); = still the same: 1) click on toggle text mode: button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen. 2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon = still HTML); retry, 3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: = General 3 comes up, at this point, it hangs. 4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works = OK. 5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, = Plain text, and it worked just fine. Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, = i.e., having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the = toggle then. Joe Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure = out why they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all running programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I = think when system resources are very limited, then these problems are exacerbated. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to = work properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the = Options menu comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., = General 3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't = get the toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a = switch--just keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest = that such a case is hopeless on 98SE--that so? Thanks, Joe =20 =20 |
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Robert Aldwinckle napisał(a):
Does Win 98 have anything analogous to NT's task priority? (e.g. set by Task Manager or from command line) If so you might be able to give it the response it needs that way. Yes, it has. I don't know whether priority can be set usin tools available in the system. Process Explorer should be a good solution. If you want to start a program with certain priority, you can use my program Start Priority (grzegorz.net/download.html). -- Grzegorz Niemirowski, MS MVP, www.grzegorz.net OE PowerTool 3.1.5 - the best way to improve your OE http://www.oept.it-faq.pl/ Uptime: 19 days, 3 hours, 0 minutes and 2 seconds |
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Good point. In this case I'd just downloaded the runtime lib from MS.
Thanks, Joe "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message ... "jt3" wrote in message ... Postscript: I forgot to add that once it gave: OETool performed an illegal opration and will be shutdown. Exception 10h in MSVBVM60.DLL @ 0167:660d0956 Sorry, I didn't do a dump. Don't know if any of this is a help, or if you're tired of it or what, but, best of luck. One thing you should do when you see something like this is verify the version of the module. If you have installed anything else recently which was also written in Visual Basic it might have installed an older version of the virtual machine (i.e. regressed the one that Steve's program prefers.) I think that there may actually be a set of modules which you could check for consistency at the same time too. titleKB190130 - INFO: Description of VB 6.0 Run Time and OLE Automation Files/title I can't find any precise documentation about the contents of the run-time redistributable but if necessary you could download it and expand it to find out which ones are actually included. --- J "Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why on others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, since I can't reproduce it with regularity. Sorry. You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the icon in the system tray and choosing exit. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still the same: 1) click on toggle text mode: button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen. 2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still HTML); retry, 3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3 comes up, at this point, it hangs. 4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK. 5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain text, and it worked just fine. Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e., having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle then. Joe Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out why they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all running programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think when system resources are very limited, then these problems are exacerbated. steve "jt3" wrote in message ... Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options menu comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General 3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get the toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that such a case is hopeless on 98SE--that so? Thanks, Joe |
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Thanks to all--be back when I can.
Joe "Grzegorz Niemirowski" wrote in message ... Robert Aldwinckle napisał(a): Does Win 98 have anything analogous to NT's task priority? (e.g. set by Task Manager or from command line) If so you might be able to give it the response it needs that way. Yes, it has. I don't know whether priority can be set usin tools available in the system. Process Explorer should be a good solution. If you want to start a program with certain priority, you can use my program Start Priority (grzegorz.net/download.html). -- Grzegorz Niemirowski, MS MVP, www.grzegorz.net OE PowerTool 3.1.5 - the best way to improve your OE http://www.oept.it-faq.pl/ Uptime: 19 days, 3 hours, 0 minutes and 2 seconds |
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