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  #21  
Old July 4th, 2004, 10:33 PM
Harlan Grove
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"Norman Harker" wrote...
I much prefer the USA one. But you can keep the second amendment.


Gladly!

But the British Constitution has stood the test of time; there isn't
one!


Proving that brevity is a virtue in laws as in formulas.

Now as for the US tax code . . .


  #22  
Old July 4th, 2004, 10:40 PM
Harlan Grove
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
Yes but look where it gets us, the most secretive 'democratic'
society, and the most introspective, jingoistic to boot.

Nothing to commend itself here as far as I can see.

....

The US will always be the most introspective country on the planet. Comes
with the history. As for jingoistic, your country's press obviously doesn't
show much of what's going on outside Washington, D.C. I live on a street
where the 'No War in Iraq' signs are as common as the USMC flags.


  #23  
Old July 4th, 2004, 10:58 PM
Harlan Grove
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
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PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on gun-control.
Reminds one of the justification invading Iraq, as we all know there
were WMDs ther, and the world is much safer place now (well it is if
you cook the statistics).


Ah, ad homenim!

Just like the rest of the history, the Second Amendment is another thing
that sets us apart. Odd that the ACLU doesn't share the NRA's fervor.

It's going to take a while longer for us to forget that farmers with their
own rifles defeated the Red Coats at Saratoga. The French kinda helped at
Yorktown, so not as clear cut there. An armed citizenry is the surest
guarantor of democracy (even if ours is a bit jaded), though perhaps not of
safety.

Full disclos I own a rifle, and I was against the war in Iraq. In all
likelihood the latter will prove just as successful and putting the Shah in
power in Iran.


  #24  
Old July 4th, 2004, 11:32 PM
Norman Harker
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Hi Harlan!

Brevity in terms of Constitution certainly gives the Brits
flexibility. Written Constitutions didn't save quite a lot of the
former colonies from despotism.

Tax codes! I spent 10 years mastering the interaction of development
tax (UK) with real estate development and made a good living out of
the complexity. But it was un-necessary complexity as with a lot of
the tax codes we all suffer from.

--
Regards
Norman Harker MVP (Excel)
Sydney, Australia

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Old July 4th, 2004, 11:33 PM
Bob Phillips
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Harlan,

I would suggest that the US is more insular, but I have never seen it as an
introspective country. It's brash, overt confidence seems quite the opposite
to me, even if most Americans don't own a passport, that there are
currencies other than the dollar in the world, or know that there is a
world beyond their borders.

Seeing you mention the EU constitution was a revelation, not because it was
you, but because I didn't think that the EU constitution got a mention in
your land. The post from Paul in Georgia confirmed a lot of my suspicions.

I still maintain though that despite efforts to curb your freedoms, you have
more personal freedoms than us, and it is more difficult to suppress things
in your country.

It is good to hear that all shades of opinion are being voiced.

Bob

"Harlan Grove" wrote in message
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
Yes but look where it gets us, the most secretive 'democratic'
society, and the most introspective, jingoistic to boot.

Nothing to commend itself here as far as I can see.

...

The US will always be the most introspective country on the planet. Comes
with the history. As for jingoistic, your country's press obviously

doesn't
show much of what's going on outside Washington, D.C. I live on a street
where the 'No War in Iraq' signs are as common as the USMC flags.




  #26  
Old July 4th, 2004, 11:37 PM
Bob Phillips
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"Harlan Grove" wrote in message
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
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PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on gun-control.
Reminds one of the justification invading Iraq, as we all know there
were WMDs ther, and the world is much safer place now (well it is if
you cook the statistics).


Ah, ad homenim!


I take it you mean Ad hominemg!

But not sure whether that attributes to the original claims or my comment on
them?


  #27  
Old July 4th, 2004, 11:38 PM
Norman Harker
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Hi Harlan!

Full disclosure.

No guns now or ever. Never needed one.

Pro war on Iraq but only with support of UN and Moslem nations. But
that doesn't stop me being ****ed off with the UN decision and
prevailing anti-Americanism. "What have the Americans ever done for
us?" (Life of Brian style).

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Regards
Norman Harker MVP (Excel)
Sydney, Australia



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Old July 4th, 2004, 11:46 PM
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" PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on
gun-control."

Gun control is really a double edged sword, where one edge (crime) seems to
garner the most publicity.

The other edge is the one that the framers of the Constitution had in mind
at the outset, the ability of the "people" to protect themselves ... from
the government.
Believe me, I'm no camo dressed, gun toting, militia trained, Red Neck
(sorry Peo, that's your present neighborhood).

I do work with a fellow who came to the U.S. from Hungary in the early '70s.
Ask him about national gun control.
He'll spit in your eye!
Ask my grandfather, when he left Poland to come here, about his guns.
And he wasn't even Jewish.

Of course ... it'll never happen here!?!?
Anybody read the "Home Security" laws *now* on the books, not even
addressing the ones in committee, with a good chance of approval.

911 has done more to hurt the fabric of this country then *any* of the
previous conflicts.
They all gathered us together.
And we thought that Viet Nam split us!

BUT ... I'm rambling !

A HAPPY AND SAFE FOURTH TO ALL !
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Regards,

RD

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"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
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Hi Norman,

"Norman Harker" wrote in message
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Just a friendly wind up! I'll agree on the National Anthem; a rotten
song. I'd prefer Land of Hope and Glory.


I would opt for Jerusalem myself, passionate, good tune, and pertuinent.

Our opposition leader has been known to use rather "richer"
terminology regarding our leader's approach. Interesting though,
whatever views are taken, is that Bush and Howard are both up for
re-election this year.


I don't think we have an opposition leader, just another 'personality'

clone
with a different face. Charles Kennedy is the onmly real alterntive

voice,
and who listens to the Liberal party (apart from my daughter).

The US centric approach of MS needs addressing in my view; and that is
taking a view that would benefit Microsoft. As an example, the most
common financial formatting used by the Indian sub-continent, is not
facilitated by the format options and custom format possibilities
preclude both positive and negative numbers. We can address by macros;
but I really don't think we should have to.


Hear, hear! I would think that the Asian nuances are more likely to get
addressed that the non-US Western things, as that is where the US sees the
next important market.

Bob

PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on gun-control.
Reminds one of the justification invading Iraq, as we all know there were
WMDs ther, and the world is much safer place now (well it is if you cook

the
statistics).



  #29  
Old July 4th, 2004, 11:47 PM
Harlan Grove
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
I would suggest that the US is more insular, but I have never seen it
as an introspective country. It's brash, overt confidence seems quite
the opposite to me, even if most Americans don't own a passport, that
there are currencies other than the dollar in the world, or know that
there is a world beyond their borders.

....

You meant the UK is introspective?

Anyway, most of us don't understand how the rest of the world works, so we
tend to analogize with how the US works. Thus getting rid of Saddam Hussien
== getting rid of a corrupt county sheriff. It also explains a parallel
between the rest of the world having to learn English because your
countrymen and mine are so lax about learning a second language and the rest
of the world adopting more US presidential-like politics in order to get air
time on satelite news.

As for the EU constitution (when and if it's ratified I'll capitalize it), I
read the The Economist because I can't tell the difference between Time,
Newsweek, People and Weekly World News (the last tending towards the Elvis
and ET have love child headlines). So I'm a bit of an odd-ball over here.


  #30  
Old July 4th, 2004, 11:50 PM
Harlan Grove
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
I take it you mean Ad hominemg!


I yield to no man or woman in the atrociousness of my spelling!

But not sure whether that attributes to the original claims or my
comment on them?


The implication of equivalence of crime stats and WMD 'evidence'.


 




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