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Omit Page # on first page
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up
with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Omit Page # on first page
This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win... thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Omit Page # on first page
i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since it's
quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on my printer & i'll check it out - thanx I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2 headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent headers/footers) my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3 hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need is them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on this objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding a condition like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply added a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my circumstance "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win... thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Omit Page # on first page
If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered
from your electronic whiteout solution), then I don't see how that's setting up two headers/footers. You just set up one header/footer, then select "Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank. I personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and place it over the page number (and hope that it stays put). Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page number, your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear the check box for "Show number on first page." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win... i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since it's quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on my printer & i'll check it out - thanx I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2 headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent headers/footers) my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3 hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need is them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on this objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding a condition like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply added a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my circumstance "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win... thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Omit Page # on first page
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered from your electronic whiteout solution), no, that's the problem - the header (or footer) needs other information (including page no - except on page 1) then I don't see how that's setting up two headers/footers. they would need to, if they used any of the built-in methods - alas they wont have to if they simply cover up the page no with a drawing object You just set up one header/footer, then select "Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank. like you see, that's not what i need (which all the built-in functions also 'assume') I personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and place it over the page number (and hope that it stays put). i did it in under 4 seconds (including erasing the borderline) Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page number, your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear the check box for "Show number on first page." again the same assumptions the features make - but not the case in this situation -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win... i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since it's quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on my printer & i'll check it out - thanx I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2 headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent headers/footers) my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3 hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need is them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on this objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding a condition like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply added a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my circumstance "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win... thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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Omit Page # on first page
Okay, I guess that's what I'm not understanding, since it is very unusual to
have a page that has a header but omits the page number. Usually I have a drop folio (page number in the footer) on the first page of a chapter, with headers (with or without page numbers) beginning on the second page. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered from your electronic whiteout solution), no, that's the problem - the header (or footer) needs other information (including page no - except on page 1) then I don't see how that's setting up two headers/footers. they would need to, if they used any of the built-in methods - alas they wont have to if they simply cover up the page no with a drawing object You just set up one header/footer, then select "Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank. like you see, that's not what i need (which all the built-in functions also 'assume') I personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and place it over the page number (and hope that it stays put). i did it in under 4 seconds (including erasing the borderline) Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page number, your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear the check box for "Show number on first page." again the same assumptions the features make - but not the case in this situation -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win... i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since it's quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on my printer & i'll check it out - thanx I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2 headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent headers/footers) my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3 hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need is them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on this objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding a condition like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply added a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my circumstance "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win... thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Okay, I guess that's what I'm not understanding, since it is very unusual to have a page that has a header but omits the page number. Usually I have a drop folio (page number in the footer) on the first page of a chapter, with headers (with or without page numbers) beginning on the second page. i think the usual practise is to put page numbering in it's own header/footer - but unfortunately the students have to do what the assignment says - thanx anyway -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered from your electronic whiteout solution), no, that's the problem - the header (or footer) needs other information (including page no - except on page 1) then I don't see how that's setting up two headers/footers. they would need to, if they used any of the built-in methods - alas they wont have to if they simply cover up the page no with a drawing object You just set up one header/footer, then select "Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank. like you see, that's not what i need (which all the built-in functions also 'assume') I personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and place it over the page number (and hope that it stays put). i did it in under 4 seconds (including erasing the borderline) Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page number, your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear the check box for "Show number on first page." again the same assumptions the features make - but not the case in this situation -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win... i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since it's quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on my printer & i'll check it out - thanx I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2 headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent headers/footers) my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3 hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need is them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on this objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding a condition like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply added a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my circumstance "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JethroUK©" wrote in message news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win... thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up with a drawing object ) "Margaret Aldis" wrote in message ... "JethroUK©" wrote in message ... "garfield-n-odie" wrote in message ... Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section. then what does it do? Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even' gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer. i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out page numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the 1st page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd page (section) You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two places if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as 'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set this up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them, then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first page' page layout switch. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org |
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