Picture moves along with margins in other section

I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.

I forgot to add:
I am using Word 2003 SP3

Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

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I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.

On 30 mrt, 16:45, "Terry Farrell" wrote:
Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

wrote in message

...



I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

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I am sorry, but I still don't get it.
The picture is in the section 1 header. If I change the margins in
section 1, the picture stays where it is, it doesn't move.
If I change the margins in section 2, the picture in the section 1
header shifts to the left.
I personally don't think this is a style issue. It looks like the
picture in the section 1 header is anchored to the section 2 margins.
But how is this possible?

If the picture position is set relative to the margins in Section 1 and you
change the margins in Section 1, the picture really *should* move; IMO, it's
a bug if it doesn't, and that's just as bad as having it move when you
change the margins in Section 2. But that's neither here nor there; can you
instead define the position of the graphic relative to the page? That should
solve the problem. Note that if you have the position defined (correctly)
relative to the margins, when you change the setting to Page, the setting
that is automatically entered should be correct.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

wrote in message
...
On 30 mrt, 16:45, "Terry Farrell" wrote:
Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the
paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

wrote in message

...



I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.- Tekst uit
oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I am sorry, but I still don't get it.
The picture is in the section 1 header. If I change the margins in
section 1, the picture stays where it is, it doesn't move.
If I change the margins in section 2, the picture in the section 1
header shifts to the left.
I personally don't think this is a style issue. It looks like the
picture in the section 1 header is anchored to the section 2 margins.
But how is this possible?

On 30 mrt, 17:23, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
If the picture position is set relative to the margins in Section 1 and you
change the margins in Section 1, the picture really *should* move; IMO, it's
a bug if it doesn't, and that's just as bad as having it move when you
change the margins in Section 2. But that's neither here nor there; can you
instead define the position of the graphic relative to the page? That should
solve the problem. Note that if you have the position defined (correctly)
relative to the margins, when you change the setting to Page, the setting
that is automatically entered should be correct.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

wrote in message

...
On 30 mrt, 16:45, "Terry Farrell" wrote:





Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the
paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

wrote in message

....

I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.- Tekst uit
oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I am sorry, but I still don't get it.
The picture is in the section 1 header. If I change the margins in
section 1, the picture stays where it is, it doesn't move.
If I change the margins in section 2, the picture in the section 1
header shifts to the left.
I personally don't think this is a style issue. It looks like the
picture in the section 1 header is anchored to the section 2 margins.
But how is this possible?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

You suggest changing the picture placement from ‘relative to margin’
to ‘relative to page’.
I’d rather not change something in the first section. The real
document is a bit more complicated than I’ve sketched here, and I’d
rather not fiddle with the first section. But, I guess I have no
choice. I really think this is a bug in Word.

I tried your suggestion and it did work. When the picture position is
specified ‘relative to page’, it behaves normal. I tried changing it
back to ‘relative to margin’ and hoped that things would miraculously
be functioning again, but they didn’t.

Obviously, the ‘relative to margin’ setting does not work good with a
picture or textbox in the heading and multiple sections.

Is there a place where you can you report bugs like this? Is it
usefull to do this?

I'll escalate the issue to Microsoft. Can you send me a document that is
exhibiting the anomalous behavior?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

wrote in message
...
On 30 mrt, 17:23, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
If the picture position is set relative to the margins in Section 1 and
you
change the margins in Section 1, the picture really *should* move; IMO,
it's
a bug if it doesn't, and that's just as bad as having it move when you
change the margins in Section 2. But that's neither here nor there; can
you
instead define the position of the graphic relative to the page? That
should
solve the problem. Note that if you have the position defined (correctly)
relative to the margins, when you change the setting to Page, the setting
that is automatically entered should be correct.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

wrote in message

...
On 30 mrt, 16:45, "Terry Farrell" wrote:





Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the
paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins
wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

wrote in message

...

I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.- Tekst uit
oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I am sorry, but I still don't get it.
The picture is in the section 1 header. If I change the margins in
section 1, the picture stays where it is, it doesn't move.
If I change the margins in section 2, the picture in the section 1
header shifts to the left.
I personally don't think this is a style issue. It looks like the
picture in the section 1 header is anchored to the section 2 margins.
But how is this possible?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet
weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

You suggest changing the picture placement from ‘relative to margin’
to ‘relative to page’.
I’d rather not change something in the first section. The real
document is a bit more complicated than I’ve sketched here, and I’d
rather not fiddle with the first section. But, I guess I have no
choice. I really think this is a bug in Word.

I tried your suggestion and it did work. When the picture position is
specified ‘relative to page’, it behaves normal. I tried changing it
back to ‘relative to margin’ and hoped that things would miraculously
be functioning again, but they didn’t.

Obviously, the ‘relative to margin’ setting does not work good with a
picture or textbox in the heading and multiple sections.

Is there a place where you can you report bugs like this? Is it
usefull to do this?

On 30 mrt, 23:32, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
I'll escalate the issue to Microsoft. Can you send me a document that is
exhibiting the anomalous behavior?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

wrote in message

...
On 30 mrt, 17:23, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:





If the picture position is set relative to the margins in Section 1 and
you
change the margins in Section 1, the picture really *should* move; IMO,
it's
a bug if it doesn't, and that's just as bad as having it move when you
change the margins in Section 2. But that's neither here nor there; can
you
instead define the position of the graphic relative to the page? That
should
solve the problem. Note that if you have the position defined (correctly)
relative to the margins, when you change the setting to Page, the setting
that is automatically entered should be correct.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

wrote in message

....
On 30 mrt, 16:45, "Terry Farrell" wrote:

Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the
paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins
wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

wrote in message

....

I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.- Tekst uit
oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I am sorry, but I still don't get it.
The picture is in the section 1 header. If I change the margins in
section 1, the picture stays where it is, it doesn't move.
If I change the margins in section 2, the picture in the section 1
header shifts to the left.
I personally don't think this is a style issue. It looks like the
picture in the section 1 header is anchored to the section 2 margins.
But how is this possible?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet
weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

You suggest changing the picture placement from ‘relative to margin’
to ‘relative to page’.
I’d rather not change something in the first section. The real
document is a bit more complicated than I’ve sketched here, and I’d
rather not fiddle with the first section. But, I guess I have no
choice. I really think this is a bug in Word.

I tried your suggestion and it did work. When the picture position is
specified ‘relative to page’, it behaves normal. I tried changing it
back to ‘relative to margin’ and hoped that things would miraculously
be functioning again, but they didn’t.

Obviously, the ‘relative to margin’ setting does not work good with a
picture or textbox in the heading and multiple sections.

Is there a place where you can you report bugs like this? Is it
usefull to do this?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I have sent a document to your mvps.org e-mail account.

Thanks, Ina

Got it. I'll have a look and let you know what I find out from MS.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

wrote in message
...
On 30 mrt, 23:32, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
I'll escalate the issue to Microsoft. Can you send me a document that is
exhibiting the anomalous behavior?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

wrote in message

...
On 30 mrt, 17:23, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:





If the picture position is set relative to the margins in Section 1 and
you
change the margins in Section 1, the picture really *should* move; IMO,
it's
a bug if it doesn't, and that's just as bad as having it move when you
change the margins in Section 2. But that's neither here nor there; can
you
instead define the position of the graphic relative to the page? That
should
solve the problem. Note that if you have the position defined
(correctly)
relative to the margins, when you change the setting to Page, the
setting
that is automatically entered should be correct.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org

wrote in message

...
On 30 mrt, 16:45, "Terry Farrell" wrote:

Headers (and Footers) are styles, so if you change something like the
margins, it will reflect in all the headers. How are you changing the
margins in the new section's header?

What will work is to make sure that the Header Styles is not set to
Automatically Update. Then in the new section's header, change the
paragraph
indents rather than the margins. Note that if you need the margins
wider,
use a negative indent (an outdent).

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

wrote in message

...

I have a document with a floating picture in the header. The
position
of the picture is of the type “absolute position” and is defined
relative to the margin.
I need a second section with smaller margins and no header. So what
I
do is:
- go to the end of the document
- insert a section break “next page”
- remove the link between the section 1 and section 2 header
- delete the section 2 header
- reduce the margins of section 2
and, very unexpectedly to me, the picture in the header of section 1
moves to the left. It moves along with the margins of section 2, as
if
its position is linked to the margins of section 2.

How is this possible? Did I do something wrong?
I am hoping somebody can point me in the right direction.- Tekst uit
oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I am sorry, but I still don't get it.
The picture is in the section 1 header. If I change the margins in
section 1, the picture stays where it is, it doesn't move.
If I change the margins in section 2, the picture in the section 1
header shifts to the left.
I personally don't think this is a style issue. It looks like the
picture in the section 1 header is anchored to the section 2 margins.
But how is this possible?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet
weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

You suggest changing the picture placement from ‘relative to margin’
to ‘relative to page’.
I’d rather not change something in the first section. The real
document is a bit more complicated than I’ve sketched here, and I’d
rather not fiddle with the first section. But, I guess I have no
choice. I really think this is a bug in Word.

I tried your suggestion and it did work. When the picture position is
specified ‘relative to page’, it behaves normal. I tried changing it
back to ‘relative to margin’ and hoped that things would miraculously
be functioning again, but they didn’t.

Obviously, the ‘relative to margin’ setting does not work good with a
picture or textbox in the heading and multiple sections.

Is there a place where you can you report bugs like this? Is it
usefull to do this?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

I have sent a document to your mvps.org e-mail account.

Thanks, Ina