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"Norman Harker" wrote...
I much prefer the USA one. But you can keep the second amendment. Gladly! But the British Constitution has stood the test of time; there isn't one! Proving that brevity is a virtue in laws as in formulas. Now as for the US tax code . . . |
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
Yes but look where it gets us, the most secretive 'democratic' society, and the most introspective, jingoistic to boot. Nothing to commend itself here as far as I can see. .... The US will always be the most introspective country on the planet. Comes with the history. As for jingoistic, your country's press obviously doesn't show much of what's going on outside Washington, D.C. I live on a street where the 'No War in Iraq' signs are as common as the USMC flags. |
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
.... PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on gun-control. Reminds one of the justification invading Iraq, as we all know there were WMDs ther, and the world is much safer place now (well it is if you cook the statistics). Ah, ad homenim! Just like the rest of the history, the Second Amendment is another thing that sets us apart. Odd that the ACLU doesn't share the NRA's fervor. It's going to take a while longer for us to forget that farmers with their own rifles defeated the Red Coats at Saratoga. The French kinda helped at Yorktown, so not as clear cut there. An armed citizenry is the surest guarantor of democracy (even if ours is a bit jaded), though perhaps not of safety. Full disclos I own a rifle, and I was against the war in Iraq. In all likelihood the latter will prove just as successful and putting the Shah in power in Iran. |
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Hi Harlan!
Brevity in terms of Constitution certainly gives the Brits flexibility. Written Constitutions didn't save quite a lot of the former colonies from despotism. Tax codes! I spent 10 years mastering the interaction of development tax (UK) with real estate development and made a good living out of the complexity. But it was un-necessary complexity as with a lot of the tax codes we all suffer from. -- Regards Norman Harker MVP (Excel) Sydney, Australia .... |
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Harlan,
I would suggest that the US is more insular, but I have never seen it as an introspective country. It's brash, overt confidence seems quite the opposite to me, even if most Americans don't own a passport, that there are currencies other than the dollar in the world, or know that there is a world beyond their borders. Seeing you mention the EU constitution was a revelation, not because it was you, but because I didn't think that the EU constitution got a mention in your land. The post from Paul in Georgia confirmed a lot of my suspicions. I still maintain though that despite efforts to curb your freedoms, you have more personal freedoms than us, and it is more difficult to suppress things in your country. It is good to hear that all shades of opinion are being voiced. Bob "Harlan Grove" wrote in message ... "Bob Phillips" wrote... Yes but look where it gets us, the most secretive 'democratic' society, and the most introspective, jingoistic to boot. Nothing to commend itself here as far as I can see. ... The US will always be the most introspective country on the planet. Comes with the history. As for jingoistic, your country's press obviously doesn't show much of what's going on outside Washington, D.C. I live on a street where the 'No War in Iraq' signs are as common as the USMC flags. |
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"Harlan Grove" wrote in message
... "Bob Phillips" wrote... ... PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on gun-control. Reminds one of the justification invading Iraq, as we all know there were WMDs ther, and the world is much safer place now (well it is if you cook the statistics). Ah, ad homenim! I take it you mean Ad hominemg! But not sure whether that attributes to the original claims or my comment on them? |
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Hi Harlan!
Full disclosure. No guns now or ever. Never needed one. Pro war on Iraq but only with support of UN and Moslem nations. But that doesn't stop me being ****ed off with the UN decision and prevailing anti-Americanism. "What have the Americans ever done for us?" (Life of Brian style). -- Regards Norman Harker MVP (Excel) Sydney, Australia |
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" PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on
gun-control." Gun control is really a double edged sword, where one edge (crime) seems to garner the most publicity. The other edge is the one that the framers of the Constitution had in mind at the outset, the ability of the "people" to protect themselves ... from the government. Believe me, I'm no camo dressed, gun toting, militia trained, Red Neck (sorry Peo, that's your present neighborhood). I do work with a fellow who came to the U.S. from Hungary in the early '70s. Ask him about national gun control. He'll spit in your eye! Ask my grandfather, when he left Poland to come here, about his guns. And he wasn't even Jewish. Of course ... it'll never happen here!?!? Anybody read the "Home Security" laws *now* on the books, not even addressing the ones in committee, with a good chance of approval. 911 has done more to hurt the fabric of this country then *any* of the previous conflicts. They all gathered us together. And we thought that Viet Nam split us! BUT ... I'm rambling ! A HAPPY AND SAFE FOURTH TO ALL ! -- Regards, RD --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please keep all correspondence within the NewsGroup, so all may benefit ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... Hi Norman, "Norman Harker" wrote in message ... Just a friendly wind up! I'll agree on the National Anthem; a rotten song. I'd prefer Land of Hope and Glory. I would opt for Jerusalem myself, passionate, good tune, and pertuinent. Our opposition leader has been known to use rather "richer" terminology regarding our leader's approach. Interesting though, whatever views are taken, is that Bush and Howard are both up for re-election this year. I don't think we have an opposition leader, just another 'personality' clone with a different face. Charles Kennedy is the onmly real alterntive voice, and who listens to the Liberal party (apart from my daughter). The US centric approach of MS needs addressing in my view; and that is taking a view that would benefit Microsoft. As an example, the most common financial formatting used by the Indian sub-continent, is not facilitated by the format options and custom format possibilities preclude both positive and negative numbers. We can address by macros; but I really don't think we should have to. Hear, hear! I would think that the Asian nuances are more likely to get addressed that the non-US Western things, as that is where the US sees the next important market. Bob PS Frightening to read views such as recently expressed on gun-control. Reminds one of the justification invading Iraq, as we all know there were WMDs ther, and the world is much safer place now (well it is if you cook the statistics). |
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
I would suggest that the US is more insular, but I have never seen it as an introspective country. It's brash, overt confidence seems quite the opposite to me, even if most Americans don't own a passport, that there are currencies other than the dollar in the world, or know that there is a world beyond their borders. .... You meant the UK is introspective? Anyway, most of us don't understand how the rest of the world works, so we tend to analogize with how the US works. Thus getting rid of Saddam Hussien == getting rid of a corrupt county sheriff. It also explains a parallel between the rest of the world having to learn English because your countrymen and mine are so lax about learning a second language and the rest of the world adopting more US presidential-like politics in order to get air time on satelite news. As for the EU constitution (when and if it's ratified I'll capitalize it), I read the The Economist because I can't tell the difference between Time, Newsweek, People and Weekly World News (the last tending towards the Elvis and ET have love child headlines). So I'm a bit of an odd-ball over here. |
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"Bob Phillips" wrote...
I take it you mean Ad hominemg! I yield to no man or woman in the atrociousness of my spelling! But not sure whether that attributes to the original claims or my comment on them? The implication of equivalence of crime stats and WMD 'evidence'. |
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