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  #11  
Old June 16th, 2004, 05:28 PM
JethroUK©
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Default Omit Page # on first page

thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis" wrote in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie" wrote in message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section.


then what does it do?


Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out

page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off the

1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd

page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two

places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set

this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org




  #12  
Old June 16th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Omit Page # on first page

This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win...
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it

up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis" wrote in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie" wrote in

message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section.

then what does it do?


Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer

for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and

Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave out

page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off

the
1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in 2nd

page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two

places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set

this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on

them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different

first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org





  #13  
Old June 16th, 2004, 06:37 PM
JethroUK©
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Default Omit Page # on first page

i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since it's
quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on my
printer & i'll check it out - thanx

I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2
headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent
headers/footers)

my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3
hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need is
them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the
chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on this
objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy
errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding a
condition

like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply added
a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my circumstance


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup

so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win...
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover it

up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis" wrote in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie" wrote in

message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section.

then what does it do?

Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and footer

for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and

Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave

out
page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections off

the
1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in

2nd
page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two

places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this

as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you set

this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary

page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on

them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers

will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different

first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org







  #14  
Old June 16th, 2004, 11:49 PM
Suzanne S. Barnhill
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Omit Page # on first page

If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered
from your electronic whiteout solution), then I don't see how that's setting
up two headers/footers. You just set up one header/footer, then select
"Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank. I
personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and place
it over the page number (and hope that it stays put).

Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page number,
your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear the
check box for "Show number on first page."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win...
i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since

it's
quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work on

my
printer & i'll check it out - thanx

I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2
headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to inconsistent
headers/footers)

my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3
hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i need

is
them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the
chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on

this
objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy
errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered adding

a
condition

like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply

added
a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my

circumstance


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win...
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to cover

it
up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis" wrote

in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie" wrote in

message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new section.

then what does it do?

Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and

footer
for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd and

Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but leave

out
page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections

off
the
1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated in

2nd
page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in two
places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of this

as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you

set
this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary

page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work on

them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers

will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the 'different

first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org








  #15  
Old June 17th, 2004, 05:31 PM
JethroUK©
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Omit Page # on first page


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered
from your electronic whiteout solution),


no, that's the problem - the header (or footer) needs other information
(including page no - except on page 1)

then I don't see how that's setting
up two headers/footers.


they would need to, if they used any of the built-in methods - alas they
wont have to if they simply cover up the page no with a drawing object


You just set up one header/footer, then select
"Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank.


like you see, that's not what i need (which all the built-in functions also
'assume')

I
personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and

place
it over the page number (and hope that it stays put).


i did it in under 4 seconds (including erasing the borderline)


Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page

number,
your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear the
check box for "Show number on first page."


again the same assumptions the features make - but not the case in this
situation


--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup

so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win...
i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round), since

it's
quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work

on
my
printer & i'll check it out - thanx

I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires 2
headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to

inconsistent
headers/footers)

my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole 3
hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i

need
is
them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the
chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on

this
objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting accuracy
errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered

adding
a
condition

like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply

added
a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my

circumstance


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win...
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to

cover
it
up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis"

wrote
in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie" wrote in
message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new

section.

then what does it do?

Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and

footer
for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd

and
Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but

leave
out
page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it sections

off
the
1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be repeated

in
2nd
page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in

two
places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of

this
as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If you

set
this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use temporary

page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work

on
them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and footers

will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the

'different
first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org










  #16  
Old June 17th, 2004, 06:52 PM
Suzanne S. Barnhill
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Omit Page # on first page

Okay, I guess that's what I'm not understanding, since it is very unusual to
have a page that has a header but omits the page number. Usually I have a
drop folio (page number in the footer) on the first page of a chapter, with
headers (with or without page numbers) beginning on the second page.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I gathered
from your electronic whiteout solution),


no, that's the problem - the header (or footer) needs other information
(including page no - except on page 1)

then I don't see how that's setting
up two headers/footers.


they would need to, if they used any of the built-in methods - alas they
wont have to if they simply cover up the page no with a drawing object


You just set up one header/footer, then select
"Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer blank.


like you see, that's not what i need (which all the built-in functions

also
'assume')

I
personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and

place
it over the page number (and hope that it stays put).


i did it in under 4 seconds (including erasing the borderline)


Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page

number,
your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear

the
check box for "Show number on first page."


again the same assumptions the features make - but not the case in this
situation


--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win...
i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round),

since
it's
quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to work

on
my
printer & i'll check it out - thanx

I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features - requires

2
headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to

inconsistent
headers/footers)

my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the whole

3
hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i

need
is
them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise the
chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time on

this
objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting

accuracy
errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered

adding
a
condition

like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features simply

added
a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my

circumstance


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is

your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win...
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to

cover
it
up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis"

wrote
in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie" wrote

in
message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new

section.

then what does it do?

Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and

footer
for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different Odd

and
Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but

leave
out
page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it

sections
off
the
1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be

repeated
in
2nd
page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers in

two
places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think of

this
as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If

you
set
this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use

temporary
page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you work

on
them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and

footers
will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the

'different
first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org











  #17  
Old June 17th, 2004, 09:20 PM
JethroUK©
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Omit Page # on first page


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Okay, I guess that's what I'm not understanding, since it is very unusual

to
have a page that has a header but omits the page number. Usually I have a
drop folio (page number in the footer) on the first page of a chapter,

with
headers (with or without page numbers) beginning on the second page.


i think the usual practise is to put page numbering in it's own
header/footer - but unfortunately the students have to do what the
assignment says - thanx anyway



--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup

so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
If all you're trying to do is leave a header/footer blank (as I

gathered
from your electronic whiteout solution),


no, that's the problem - the header (or footer) needs other information
(including page no - except on page 1)

then I don't see how that's setting
up two headers/footers.


they would need to, if they used any of the built-in methods - alas they
wont have to if they simply cover up the page no with a drawing object


You just set up one header/footer, then select
"Different first page," which leaves the First Page Header/Footer

blank.

like you see, that's not what i need (which all the built-in functions

also
'assume')

I
personally would find it much more fiddling to create an AutoShape and

place
it over the page number (and hope that it stays put).


i did it in under 4 seconds (including erasing the borderline)


Moreover, if the only content of the header/footer will be the page

number,
your best bet is to use the Insert | Page Numbers... feature and clear

the
check box for "Show number on first page."


again the same assumptions the features make - but not the case in this
situation


--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
newst0Ac.98$Fb4.97@newsfe5-win...
i'm not sure about 'unnecessary' (implies it's a long way round),

since
it's
quicker/easier than any built-in method to apply - it only has to

work
on
my
printer & i'll check it out - thanx

I've pretty well aired the problems with built-in features -

requires
2
headers/footers setting up (takes twice as long & is open to

inconsistent
headers/footers)

my students have to complete a 3 hour exam in M.S. Word - in the

whole
3
hours they are only allowed 3 typos (accuracy errors) - last thing i

need
is
them to attract an error on this simple issue - i have to minimise

the
chances of this happening - the built-in features double their time

on
this
objective & at the same time, double their chance of commiting

accuracy
errors - so basically, it's a four-fold no-go - hence i considered

adding
a
condition

like i mentioned previously - had any of the built-in features

simply
added
a condition to the page numbering it would've been ideal for my
circumstance


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
This won't work on all printers and is quite unnecessary. What is

your
objection to using the feature Word has intended for this purpose?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
news:Cs%zc.93$Fb4.4@newsfe5-win...
thanx for all the tips - but i've found a simple solution is to

cover
it
up
with a drawing object )


"Margaret Aldis"

wrote
in
message ...

"JethroUK©" wrote in message
...

"garfield-n-odie"

wrote
in
message
...
Selecting "different first page" does not create a new

section.

then what does it do?

Creates (or rather, gives visibility to) a separate header and
footer
for
the first page of the section or doc. Similarly, 'Different

Odd
and
Even'
gives visibility to a separate 'even' header and footer.

i need to use the simplest way to setup headers/footers, but

leave
out
page
numbering on 1 st page - when using built-in methods it

sections
off
the
1st
page, so any other header/footer information has to be

repeated
in
2nd
page
(section)


You are right that you need to set up the headers and footers

in
two
places
if you use different 1st page - but it is confusing to think

of
this
as
'sectioning off' - there is no Word Section Break involved. If

you
set
this
up in a template it's a once-off copying operation - use

temporary
page
breaks so you can see all the headers and footers while you

work
on
them,
then delete the page breaks. Thereafter, those headers and

footers
will
appear/disappear according to the pages you have and the

'different
first
page' page layout switch.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org













 




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