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July 7th, 2009, 08:36 AM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
There is a major problem with the handling of time zones on All Day Events.
The people representing Microsoft claim it be "intuitive." What it is is costly. Outlooks handling of this has completly ruined my calendar more than once forcing me to completely delete. I would estimate costing me and my company thousands of dollars due to missed appointments. Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! It is my understanding that other major calendar applications handle this correctly. Unless Microsoft can get on board with what their users need, and not be to proud to admit the current system is wrong... I suggest everyone find other systems that actually work. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....calendari ng 
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July 7th, 2009, 09:01 AM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
What version of Outlook are you using? Are you changing the computer's
clock/time zone when you change to the other time zone? -- -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP Roland Schorr & Tower http://www.rolandschorr.com http://www.officeforlawyers.com Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007: http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q "Clint" wrote in message : There is a major problem with the handling of time zones on All Day Events. The people representing Microsoft claim it be "intuitive." What it is is costly. Outlooks handling of this has completly ruined my calendar more than once forcing me to completely delete. I would estimate costing me and my company thousands of dollars due to missed appointments. Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! It is my understanding that other major calendar applications handle this correctly. Unless Microsoft can get on board with what their users need, and not be to proud to admit the current system is wrong... I suggest everyone find other systems that actually work. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....calendari ng
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July 7th, 2009, 09:23 AM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
It shouldn't matter... this is what Microsoft does not seem to understand.
All day is just that all day. People do not make all day events on their calendar to represent a 24 hour event, but rather events without specified times. Anniversaries - Birthdays - Etc. I happen to use all day events alot because my business requires a number of things be completed on certain days, but not a specific times. "Ben M. Schorr - MVP" wrote: What version of Outlook are you using? Are you changing the computer's clock/time zone when you change to the other time zone? -- -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP Roland Schorr & Tower http://www.rolandschorr.com http://www.officeforlawyers.com Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007: http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q "Clint" wrote in message : There is a major problem with the handling of time zones on All Day Events. The people representing Microsoft claim it be "intuitive." What it is is costly. Outlooks handling of this has completly ruined my calendar more than once forcing me to completely delete. I would estimate costing me and my company thousands of dollars due to missed appointments. Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! It is my understanding that other major calendar applications handle this correctly. Unless Microsoft can get on board with what their users need, and not be to proud to admit the current system is wrong... I suggest everyone find other systems that actually work. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....calendari ng
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July 7th, 2009, 09:44 AM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
Have you considered using tasks rather than the calendar for those
things? -- -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP Roland Schorr & Tower http://www.rolandschorr.com http://www.officeforlawyers.com Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007: http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q "Clint" wrote in message : It shouldn't matter... this is what Microsoft does not seem to understand. All day is just that all day. People do not make all day events on their calendar to represent a 24 hour event, but rather events without specified times. Anniversaries - Birthdays - Etc. I happen to use all day events alot because my business requires a number of things be completed on certain days, but not a specific times. "Ben M. Schorr - MVP" wrote: What version of Outlook are you using? Are you changing the computer's clock/time zone when you change to the other time zone? -- -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP Roland Schorr & Tower http://www.rolandschorr.com http://www.officeforlawyers.com Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007: http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q "Clint" wrote in message : There is a major problem with the handling of time zones on All Day Events. The people representing Microsoft claim it be "intuitive." What it is is costly. Outlooks handling of this has completly ruined my calendar more than once forcing me to completely delete. I would estimate costing me and my company thousands of dollars due to missed appointments. Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! It is my understanding that other major calendar applications handle this correctly. Unless Microsoft can get on board with what their users need, and not be to proud to admit the current system is wrong... I suggest everyone find other systems that actually work. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....calendari ng
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#5
July 7th, 2009, 01:49 PM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
"Clint" wrote in message
... Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! What do you consider to be incorrect? -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]
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July 7th, 2009, 01:54 PM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
"Clint" wrote in message
... It shouldn't matter... this is what Microsoft does not seem to understand. All day is just that all day. People do not make all day events on their calendar to represent a 24 hour event, but rather events without specified times. Anniversaries - Birthdays - Etc. I happen to use all day events alot because my business requires a number of things be completed on certain days, but not a specific times. While all day events may not work as you want them to, they do work correctly. Isn't "all-day" and "24 hours" exactly the same thing? Anywhere you go on the earth, a day is 24 hours long. If you're in New York at noon on December 24 and call your friend in Canberra, it _is_ appropriate to wish him "Merry Christmas" because for him, it IS Christmas. His "all-day event" is NOT the same as yours. All-day events ARE 24 hour time slots, whether you like that or not. -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]
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July 7th, 2009, 03:16 PM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
But I am not looking at my friends calendar I am looking at mine. Most
people do not schedule and all day event on the calendar to represent a 24 hour event. They use it to represent an event that occurs or needs to occur that day but without a set time. I've read through these boards and you seem to be the only one who think it works correctly. Is there anyone else out there who thinks it is fine the way it is. Or do people think Microsoft needs to make a change? "Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: "Clint" wrote in message ... It shouldn't matter... this is what Microsoft does not seem to understand. All day is just that all day. People do not make all day events on their calendar to represent a 24 hour event, but rather events without specified times. Anniversaries - Birthdays - Etc. I happen to use all day events alot because my business requires a number of things be completed on certain days, but not a specific times. While all day events may not work as you want them to, they do work correctly. Isn't "all-day" and "24 hours" exactly the same thing? Anywhere you go on the earth, a day is 24 hours long. If you're in New York at noon on December 24 and call your friend in Canberra, it _is_ appropriate to wish him "Merry Christmas" because for him, it IS Christmas. His "all-day event" is NOT the same as yours. All-day events ARE 24 hour time slots, whether you like that or not. -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]
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#8
July 7th, 2009, 03:31 PM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
Myelf and I think most people use the tasks as a ToDo list. If this were a
paper system - would you write someones birthday on your ToDo list or your calendar? Wodl you write something that you have to do every other Thursday on your ToDo list or your calendar? If I write my friends birthday on my paper calendar. Then I go two time zones west. I don't rewrite my friend's birthday on the calendar on an additional day. "Ben M. Schorr - MVP" wrote: Have you considered using tasks rather than the calendar for those things? -- -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP Roland Schorr & Tower http://www.rolandschorr.com http://www.officeforlawyers.com Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007: http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q "Clint" wrote in message : It shouldn't matter... this is what Microsoft does not seem to understand. All day is just that all day. People do not make all day events on their calendar to represent a 24 hour event, but rather events without specified times. Anniversaries - Birthdays - Etc. I happen to use all day events alot because my business requires a number of things be completed on certain days, but not a specific times. "Ben M. Schorr - MVP" wrote: What version of Outlook are you using? Are you changing the computer's clock/time zone when you change to the other time zone? -- -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP Roland Schorr & Tower http://www.rolandschorr.com http://www.officeforlawyers.com Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007: http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q "Clint" wrote in message : There is a major problem with the handling of time zones on All Day Events. The people representing Microsoft claim it be "intuitive." What it is is costly. Outlooks handling of this has completly ruined my calendar more than once forcing me to completely delete. I would estimate costing me and my company thousands of dollars due to missed appointments. Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! It is my understanding that other major calendar applications handle this correctly. Unless Microsoft can get on board with what their users need, and not be to proud to admit the current system is wrong... I suggest everyone find other systems that actually work. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....calendari ng
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July 7th, 2009, 03:35 PM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
My papaer calnedar says Christmas is on December 25th. If I am somewhere
else my paper calendar does not suddenly recognize Christmas as the 24th and 25th. It is my understanding from the research I have done that other electronic calendars treat all day events as "all DAY events" not 24 hour events. Why can't Microsoft do what makes the system more useful for the people who own it. "Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: "Clint" wrote in message ... Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! What do you consider to be incorrect? -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]
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July 7th, 2009, 04:39 PM
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MAJOR PROBLEM WITH TIME ZONES
Outlook uses UTC offsets so that appointments work in your time zone - ie,
if someone in PT sends you a (phone or online) meeting request for 9 am, outlook knows to convert it to the correct time in your time zone. Pinning some appointments to a specific time is harder to do without introducing bugs or creating a situation where users make errors when creating meetings and the 9 am PT meeting ends up at 9 AM ET on some calendars. -- Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Outlook Tips by email: EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange: Let's Really Fix Outlook 2010 http://forums.slipstick.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34 "Clint" wrote in message news  My papaer calnedar says Christmas is on December 25th. If I am somewhere else my paper calendar does not suddenly recognize Christmas as the 24th and 25th. It is my understanding from the research I have done that other electronic calendars treat all day events as "all DAY events" not 24 hour events. Why can't Microsoft do what makes the system more useful for the people who own it. "Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: "Clint" wrote in message ... Microsoft Outlook handles time zone changes for all day events incorrectly. It is time for MS to stop claiming it operates the way it is supposed to and admit they made a mistake - AND FIX IT!!!!! What do you consider to be incorrect? -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]
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