Access is just to hard to understand

Thanks for the response, Tom!!

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Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

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"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
Over a 5-year period, Steve, I put in at least two thousand hours working
on nothing more than corrections and enhancements to one database, and
others put in similar amounts of work on it. Are you really so arrogant
that you'd claim you could have done the whole thing for less than
$4,000, is your experience so limited that you can't imagine a complex or
extensive database, or is it just that someone slipped some hallucinogens
in your Jolt Cola?

I've been writing software for people for about 35 years, using BASIC,
dBase II, III, IV and 5,
Access 1.0 through 2003 and have never charged anyone more than $1500.00
for my product no
matter how many hours I spent. Sometimes it works out to $10/hr.
sometimes $100/hr.
Lest you say that the programs I've written were trivial, I have received
numerous letters from
clients thanking me for my work and telling me that my programs gave them
information in ways
that other consultants (some of whom would have charged them $3000 -
$5000) told them
was not possible. Yes, I do reuse a lot of code from one job to the next
when I can. Do you
rewrite every function from scratch for every job? The people for whom I
write the software can't
afford much and are grateful for my assistance. While I'm far from rich,
I make a good living doing
what I do. If I know a client can't afford $4000, I'll do the job for
less NO MATTER HOW
COMPLEX. Why are you so defensive?

Tom Lake

You don't make any sense at all, Larry!!!

You didn't work two thousand hours for $4000. What I'm saying is that for a
job which you charge $4000, I could have done it for much less. I don't rip
off customers. And I see that I'm not alone - read Mr. Lake's response to
your dribble. Perhaps you all are afraid of the competition. And for
experience, let's not forget you approached me some time ago looking for
work.

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PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com



"Larry Linson" wrote in message
...
"PC Datasheet" wrote

$4000 ????? Cheap by any standard????
My fee would have been substantially less
than that no matter what the database was
required to do!!!

Over a 5-year period, Steve, I put in at least two thousand hours working
on nothing more than corrections and enhancements to one database, and
others put in similar amounts of work on it. Are you really so arrogant
that you'd claim you could have done the whole thing for less than $4,000,
is your experience so limited that you can't imagine a complex or
extensive database, or is it just that someone slipped some hallucinogens
in your Jolt Cola?

You must be a good-hearted fellow, Tom (or is it really Donnie?). There's
only so many hours that most of us can afford to spend on a project for a
given amount of money. I'm glad that you are in a position such that you
can.

I doubt PC Datasheet is in that position, however; I know I am not.

Larry Linson

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
Over a 5-year period, Steve, I put in at least two thousand hours working
on nothing more than corrections and enhancements to one database, and
others put in similar amounts of work on it. Are you really so arrogant
that you'd claim you could have done the whole thing for less than
$4,000, is your experience so limited that you can't imagine a complex or
extensive database, or is it just that someone slipped some hallucinogens
in your Jolt Cola?

I've been writing software for people for about 35 years, using BASIC,
dBase II, III, IV and 5,
Access 1.0 through 2003 and have never charged anyone more than $1500.00
for my product no
matter how many hours I spent. Sometimes it works out to $10/hr.
sometimes $100/hr.
Lest you say that the programs I've written were trivial, I have received
numerous letters from
clients thanking me for my work and telling me that my programs gave them
information in ways
that other consultants (some of whom would have charged them $3000 -
$5000) told them
was not possible. Yes, I do reuse a lot of code from one job to the next
when I can. Do you
rewrite every function from scratch for every job? The people for whom I
write the software can't
afford much and are grateful for my assistance. While I'm far from rich,
I make a good living doing
what I do. If I know a client can't afford $4000, I'll do the job for
less NO MATTER HOW
COMPLEX. Why are you so defensive?

Tom Lake

"PC Datasheet" wrote

You don't make any sense at all, Larry!!!

You didn't work two thousand hours for
$4000. What I'm saying is that for a
job which you charge $4000, I could have
done it for much less.

It is certainly possible that you charge less than I do -- you know what
your time is worth. Whether you could have done the job I did, regardless of
price, is not a given.

I don't rip off customers. And I see that
I'm not alone - read Mr. Lake's response to
your dribble. Perhaps you all are afraid
of the competition.

Mr. Lake appears to be a philanthropist -- whatever the job, he said, if the
customer couldn't afford $4,000, he'd do it for less.

And for experience, let's not forget you
approached me some time ago looking for
work.

My memory, or yours, must be worse than anyone realized because I certainly
don't remember "approaching you looking for work", ever. I don't remember
ever offering you any work, either.

You have now just about convinced me that you need to check whatever you are
ingesting because someone may have added some hallucinogens to it.

"Rick Brandt" wrote

Off-Topic aside... Anyone know of a book
specifically geared for transitioning to
WinForms and dot net? I don't mean a
conversion how-to or anything like that.
Just a reference that would explain "When
you did this in Access this is what you
would do in dot-net" sort of thing. With
dot net being a more general purpose
development platform I have trouble
finding good information on
"database related" stuff.

I am not aware of any that purport to teach Dot Net to someone with Access
experience. I have seen some advertised that purport to do that for people
experienced in classic Visual Basic and C++.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP

"PC Datasheet" wrote

I don't rip off customers.

I'd be awfully cautious about hiring someone who's demonstrated that he
cannot understand or is not willing to follow the rules of USENET
newsgroups.

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
You don't make any sense at all, Larry!!!

You didn't work two thousand hours for $4000. What I'm saying is that for
a
job which you charge $4000, I could have done it for much less. I don't
rip
off customers. And I see that I'm not alone - read Mr. Lake's response to
your dribble. Perhaps you all are afraid of the competition. And for
experience, let's not forget you approached me some time ago looking for
work.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

But you said earlier in the thread:

"$4000 ????? Cheap by any standard????
My fee would have been substantially less than that no matter what the
database was required to do!!!"

Now, given that the poster to whom you were replying gave no clues as to
what the database does, or how many hours his developer expended, or his
developer's rate, the implication is that regardless of how many hours the
job took, you WOULD do it for $4,000 or less.

It's not for me to comment on your commercial practices, I'm merely pointing
out the inconsistency in your own statements.

Larry,

Don't make statements you know nothing about!!!!

Steve
PC Datasheet



"Larry Linson" wrote in message
...
You must be a good-hearted fellow, Tom (or is it really Donnie?). There's
only so many hours that most of us can afford to spend on a project for a
given amount of money. I'm glad that you are in a position such that you
can.

I doubt PC Datasheet is in that position, however; I know I am not.

Larry Linson

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
Over a 5-year period, Steve, I put in at least two thousand hours
working on nothing more than corrections and enhancements to one
database, and others put in similar amounts of work on it. Are you
really so arrogant that you'd claim you could have done the whole thing
for less than $4,000, is your experience so limited that you can't
imagine a complex or extensive database, or is it just that someone
slipped some hallucinogens in your Jolt Cola?

I've been writing software for people for about 35 years, using BASIC,
dBase II, III, IV and 5,
Access 1.0 through 2003 and have never charged anyone more than $1500.00
for my product no
matter how many hours I spent. Sometimes it works out to $10/hr.
sometimes $100/hr.
Lest you say that the programs I've written were trivial, I have received
numerous letters from
clients thanking me for my work and telling me that my programs gave them
information in ways
that other consultants (some of whom would have charged them $3000 -
$5000) told them
was not possible. Yes, I do reuse a lot of code from one job to the next
when I can. Do you
rewrite every function from scratch for every job? The people for whom I
write the software can't
afford much and are grateful for my assistance. While I'm far from rich,
I make a good living doing
what I do. If I know a client can't afford $4000, I'll do the job for
less NO MATTER HOW
COMPLEX. Why are you so defensive?

Tom Lake

Tom wrote:
Im sitting here in front of my computer, Ive been here all day. Next to me is
about $200 worth of Access books, and a stack of Access information I printed
off the internet. ive just finished a community college class on Access, I
got an "A", (what a joke). Here I sit, and I still cant make one database.
This has got to be one of the most frustrating things Ive ever attempted. Im
not sure if I going to just give up tring to learn Access or not. After all
the time and effort I have put in I hate the thought of just quiting. I guess
all I can do is write this post. I feel like Im right on the verge of
understanding, but how long do I wait for that.

Just had to get it out...

Tom
I had no idea I would get such a responce. Thank you to all who wrote. I was
writing at a very low moment in my Access learning curve. I feel much better
knowing Im not alone in the struggle. Im also working through my problems
with Access with all of the help Im recieving from you all. Thanks again.

Tom


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Larry,

You are just covering up. Around two years ago you sent me an email saying
you could not find any work and you asked if I had any projects you could
do.

As an aside, you probably could not find any work because of your exorbitant
fees. Mr. Lake does not seem to have any trouble finding projects to do.

And put that in your coffee and drink it.

Steve
PC Datasheet


"Larry Linson" wrote in message
...
"PC Datasheet" wrote

You don't make any sense at all, Larry!!!

You didn't work two thousand hours for
$4000. What I'm saying is that for a
job which you charge $4000, I could have
done it for much less.

It is certainly possible that you charge less than I do -- you know what
your time is worth. Whether you could have done the job I did, regardless
of price, is not a given.

I don't rip off customers. And I see that
I'm not alone - read Mr. Lake's response to
your dribble. Perhaps you all are afraid
of the competition.

Mr. Lake appears to be a philanthropist -- whatever the job, he said, if
the customer couldn't afford $4,000, he'd do it for less.

And for experience, let's not forget you
approached me some time ago looking for
work.

My memory, or yours, must be worse than anyone realized because I
certainly don't remember "approaching you looking for work", ever. I
don't remember ever offering you any work, either.

You have now just about convinced me that you need to check whatever you
are ingesting because someone may have added some hallucinogens to it.