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Old August 30th, 2004, 11:11 PM
Greg R
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Miss Tick,

Just because someone works for MS, doesn't make their word gospel. This
person should have checked their facts because, if that is what they said
and you haven't just misinterpreted, they're talking out their arse. The STE
version of Office XP is one licence *PER SYSTEM*. As I stated earlier, the
three system rule only applies to the STE of 2003 - *AND NO OTHER VERSION*.
It also doesn't specify how the three installations may be used - all three
computers could be at home - or at school, they could all be desktops or
they could all be laptops - it makes no difference.

Are you sure they don't allow two computers with an Student office xp?
I am not talking about the office xp operating system.




It also doesn't apply to "any Office version" - the retail (not STE) may be
installed on one desktop and one laptop, provided the conditions I stated in
my earlier post are met. An OEM licence is tied to the computer it was first
installed on, and cannot be removed and installed on any other.

I keep forgetting that Microsoft has office oems. I just keep
thinking that office is retail & student only.



Don't repeat 'information' you have heard elsewhere without checking it
first - whether the person works for MS or not. Someone who works in the
Windows dept probably doesn't have a clue what the licensing is for Office
and vice versa.

I post want I think is correct period

Please don't post unless you are 100% sure of the facts and have double
checked them first. What you have posted is completely false.

No not completely.
Repeating any retail not student version of office can be installed on
two computers at the same time. But cannot be used at the same time.
Some Students office version may be able to be installed on two to
three computers.



Greg R

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Old August 30th, 2004, 11:43 PM
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corrected post
Miss Tick,

Just because someone works for MS, doesn't make their word gospel. This
person should have checked their facts because, if that is what they said
and you haven't just misinterpreted, they're talking out their arse. The STE
version of Office XP is one licence *PER SYSTEM*. As I stated earlier, the
three system rule only applies to the STE of 2003 - *AND NO OTHER VERSION*.
It also doesn't specify how the three installations may be used - all three
computers could be at home - or at school, they could all be desktops or
they could all be laptops - it makes no difference.

Are you sure they don't allow two computers with an Student office xp?
I am not talking about the office xp operating system.




It also doesn't apply to "any Office version" - the retail (not STE) may be
installed on one desktop and one laptop, provided the conditions I stated in
my earlier post are met. An OEM licence is tied to the computer it was first
installed on, and cannot be removed and installed on any other.

I keep forgetting that Microsoft has office oems. I just keep
thinking that office is retail & student only.



Don't repeat 'information' you have heard elsewhere without checking it
first - whether the person works for MS or not. Someone who works in the
Windows dept probably doesn't have a clue what the licensing is for Office
and vice versa.

I post what I think is correct period

Please don't post unless you are 100% sure of the facts and have double
checked them first. What you have posted is completely false.

No not completely.
Repeating any retail not student version of office can be installed on
two computers at the same time. But cannot be used at the same time.
Some Students office version may be able to be installed on two to
three computers.



Greg R

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Old August 31st, 2004, 02:25 AM
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Greg R wrote:
Miss Tick,

Just because someone works for MS, doesn't make their word gospel.
This person should have checked their facts because, if that is what
they said and you haven't just misinterpreted, they're talking out
their arse. The STE version of Office XP is one licence *PER
SYSTEM*. As I stated earlier, the three system rule only applies to
the STE of 2003 - *AND NO OTHER VERSION*. It also doesn't specify
how the three installations may be used - all three computers could
be at home - or at school, they could all be desktops or they could
all be laptops - it makes no difference.

Are you sure they don't allow two computers with an Student office xp?
I am not talking about the office xp operating system.


Erm, Office XP isn't an operating system - it's an, erm, office suite. And
yes, I am 1,000% positive.




It also doesn't apply to "any Office version" - the retail (not STE)
may be installed on one desktop and one laptop, provided the
conditions I stated in my earlier post are met. An OEM licence is
tied to the computer it was first installed on, and cannot be
removed and installed on any other.

I keep forgetting that Microsoft has office oems. I just keep
thinking that office is retail & student only.


And what do you call a version of Office sold with a system, then?




Don't repeat 'information' you have heard elsewhere without checking
it first - whether the person works for MS or not. Someone who works
in the Windows dept probably doesn't have a clue what the licensing
is for Office and vice versa.

I post want I think is correct period


Sorry, but you don't - you post what you *know* is correct. Otherwise you
just end up misleading people.


Please don't post unless you are 100% sure of the facts and have
double checked them first. What you have posted is completely false.

No not completely.


Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong had you just won first prize in a
being totally and utterly wrong contest.


Repeating any retail not student version of office can be installed on
two computers at the same time.



And you're *STILL* posting misinformation.

Let me repeat myself for the hard of thinking

1) The Students and Teachers Edition of Office XP is a one licence per
system deal

2) The Students and Teacher Edition of Office 2003 is a three licence
deal and may be installed on any three systems, in any combination the user
desires.

3) Retail versions of Office may be installed on one desktop and one
laptop (and this distinction is important as two systems of the same type
require two separate licences) providing that

a) It is for the sole use of the licencee (IOW, if you bought a laptop
and your wife was the sole user, then she would require her own licence)

b) They are not in use simultaneously.

If that hasn't penetrated your cranium then I give up. I am not going to
repeat myself again. Maybe Bob or Milly has more patience - mine has just
expired.








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Old August 31st, 2004, 04:37 AM
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Miss Tick,

Any retail not student version of office can be installed on two
computers at the same time.


3) Retail versions of Office may be installed on one desktop and one
laptop (and this distinction is important as two systems of the same type
require two separate licences) providing that

That what I said duh


a) It is for the sole use of the licencee (IOW, if you bought a laptop
and your wife was the sole user, then she would require her own licence)


In windows xp & windows xp pro you can have user accounts.
In a sense your are saying I could not let anyone use any program on
my own computer. That is the stupidest thing I even heard of. No
one has the right to tell me I can not share the use of the program.
If some person came over and asked to use my computer. That’s my
choice and no eula is going to tell me otherwise period. If people
followed the eula, They would have to turn off the virus scanner,
when someone else is using my computer. Actual no one follows the
eula including ms. Otherwise there would not have user accounts.

b) They are not in use simultaneously.

Duh thats what I said.

If that hasn't penetrated your cranium then I give up. I am not going to
repeat myself again. Maybe Bob or Milly has more patience - mine has just
expired.


Your one to talk. I saw you debating with Mvp, and Microsoft Mike in
the xp general newsgroup

Greg R
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Old August 31st, 2004, 05:23 AM
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Hi, Greg R. According to
http://www.microsoft.com/office/edit...dents/faq.mspx, "Office
XP Standard for Students and Teachers could only be installed on one computer
in your household." What is the source of your information?


"Greg R" wrote:

Miss Tick,

Any retail not student version of office can be installed on two
computers at the same time.

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Old August 31st, 2004, 01:31 PM
Greg R
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I was talking about retail office in my last post.

I removed the students edition from my last post.
However, Since you gave me the link, here is the copy of part of the
faq.


Licensing and Compatibility

Q. How many activations/installations will be allowed for each
license of the Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003?

A. You can install Office Student and Teacher Edition 2003 on up to
three computers in your home without having to buy extra licenses. Get
software for the entire family and save money.

Greg R




On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:23:05 -0700, garfield-n-odie wrote:


Hi, Greg R. According to
http://www.microsoft.com/office/edit...dents/faq.mspx, "Office
XP Standard for Students and Teachers could only be installed on one computer
in your household." What is the source of your information?


"Greg R" wrote:

Miss Tick,

Any retail not student version of office can be installed on two
computers at the same time.

snip


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Old August 31st, 2004, 11:26 PM
Miss Perspicacia Tick
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Greg R wrote:
Miss Tick,

Any retail not student version of office can be installed on two
computers at the same time.


3) Retail versions of Office may be installed on one desktop and
one laptop (and this distinction is important as two systems of the
same type require two separate licences) providing that

That what I said duh


Erm, no it isn't - you said, and I quote "two computers" - which is not true
enough. Two desktops are two computers, two laptops are two computers, two
tablets are two computers, but each of those would require *A LICENCE EACH*

Please show me where you said exactly what I did. If you have done I will
withdraw my criticism and apologise.



a) It is for the sole use of the licencee (IOW, if you bought a
laptop and your wife was the sole user, then she would require her
own licence)


In windows xp & windows xp pro you can have user accounts.



Erm yes, I know. What has this to do with anything?

In a sense your are saying I could not let anyone use any program on
my own computer. That is the stupidest thing I even heard of.



Please show me where I said "any program". MS's rules don't govern other
developers' software. If you don't like the rules, don't buy the software -
no one is forcing you to - there are plenty of alternatives. Let me quote to
you from the EULA - the very same EULA you agreed to when you installed the
software, but obviously didn't bother to read.

"END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR *MICROSOFT* SOFTWARE
IMPORTANT—READ CAREFULLY: This End-User License Agreement ("EULA") is a
legal agreement between you (either an individual or a single entity) and
Microsoft Corporation for the Microsoft software that accompanies this EULA,
which includes associated media and Microsoft Internet-based services
("Software"). An amendment or addendum to this EULA may accompany the
Software. YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY INSTALLING,
COPYING, OR USING THE SOFTWARE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT INSTALL, COPY,
OR USE THE SOFTWARE; YOU MAY RETURN IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL
REFUND, IF APPLICABLE.
1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights provided
that you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may:
(a) install and use a copy of the Software on one personal computer or
other device; and
(b) install an additional copy of the Software on a second, portable device
for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy of the
Software."

I'm not telling you anything. These aren't my rules - I did not write,
develop, encode, produce or distribute the software.

No
one has the right to tell me I can not share the use of the program.
If some person came over and asked to use my computer.



I suggest you learn to read. The "exclusive use" clause applies to the
secondary unit only. Anyone can use the first installation, but the second,
on the secondary system (and it can be a desktop if the primary installation
was on a portable) is for the exclusive use of the of the original licencee.
What the clause is intended to stop is casual piracy. IOW, you installing it
on a secondary system and giving it to someone else for /their/ exclusive
use. Occasional use by another individual, is allowable, I'm sure.

That’s my
choice and no eula is going to tell me otherwise period.


Erm, but it is. You agreed to the terms and conditions of the EULA by
installing, and continuing to use, the software. If you have now decided
that you no longer agree with the T&C of the EULA you must discontinue
using, and uninstall, the software.


If people
followed the eula, They would have to turn off the virus scanner,
when someone else is using my computer.


Erm, why? Has MS produced an AVP that I am not aware of? I don't think so!
So why would an EULA for a *MICROSOFT* product (specifically Office) apply
to your AVP (which is probably produced by Symantec)? I would say use some
common sense, but it is plain to see that you don't have any.

Actual no one follows the
eula including ms. Otherwise there would not have user accounts.


OK, I knew you were stupid, but this statement transcends stupidity. If you
don't know the difference between a separate system and a two user accounts
on the same system, then everything I have said up to this point has gone
right over your head.

Please tell me where, in the portion of the EULA quoted above, does it say
that each user account on the same machine requires a separate licence? As I
said, if you cannot differentiate between a separate machine, and a
secondary user account on the same system, then how you have the mental
capacity to even switch your system on, is beyond me.


b) They are not in use simultaneously.

Duh thats what I said.


As you don't appear to have the mental faculty to understand simple
English - much less write it - any argument you put forward must be
disregarded.



If that hasn't penetrated your cranium then I give up. I am not
going to repeat myself again. Maybe Bob or Milly has more patience -
mine has just expired.


Your one to talk.


I rest my case. Time for a grammar lesson - as you're so sorely in need of
one.

'Your' is a possessive adjective - 'your hat', 'your coat' 'your computer'

What you mean is 'you're' which is a contraction of 'you are'. Please learn
the difference - it'll make you look less of a f*ckwit (if that's possible).


I saw you debating with Mvp, and Microsoft Mike in


Who's 'Mvp'? I don't know of anyone with those initials. 'Microsoft Mike' (I
assume you mean Mike Brannigan) and I have known each other a very long
time.


Right, that's it. I am not going to argue with you anymore. I promised
myself I wasn't going to argue with morons because you just cannot win. All
that happens is that you end up exhausted because you expend so much energy
trying to hammer the message home. Either that, or they drag you down to
their level and beat you with experience.

I wash my hands of you. You are either too stupid - or too stubborn - (or
both) to listen to reason.



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lose his marbles?



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Old September 1st, 2004, 01:15 AM
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Miss tick,

Read what a mvp is here http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and
conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may:
(a) install and use a copy of the Software on one personal computer or
other device; and
(b) install an additional copy of the Software on a second, portable
device for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy of
the Software.


Mvp's told me that any version of office can be installed on two
computer. The never mentioned that it had to be a portable device
and be exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy.

I really don’t appreciate your comments about my grammar. You are
the only one who had trouble understanding what I put into writing.
I do have a little trouble putting something things into writing. It
is even worse when I am tired or mad. You sure don’t need to be nasty
either. Instead of telling people their grammar is bad. Ask them
what they mean. Most people including me. Will try to explain it
better.


I would rather you ignored me, then give me those nasty comments.




Greg R
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Old September 1st, 2004, 01:25 AM
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Correct Post

Miss tick,

Read what a mvp is here http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and
conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may:
(a) install and use a copy of the Software on one personal computer or
other device; and
(b) install an additional copy of the Software on a second, portable
device for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy of
the Software.

Correction. Duh I did say this
"Go back in this thread"

"I being reading the xp general newsgroup. It always has been with
any office version. That can install it on one computer and a
portable computer. It can not to be used at the same time"

I did not add ((for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first
copy of the Software.)) No mvp's told me about this.



I really don’t appreciate your comments about my grammar. You are
the only one who had trouble understanding what I put into writing.
I do have a little trouble putting something things into writing. It
is even worse when I am tired or mad. You sure don’t need to be nasty
either. Instead of telling people their grammar is bad. Ask them
what they mean. Most people including me. Will try to explain it
better.


I would rather you ignored me, then give me those nasty comments.




Greg R
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Old September 1st, 2004, 02:58 AM
Miss Perspicacia Tick
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Greg R wrote:
Correct Post

Miss tick,

Read what a mvp is here http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and
conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may:
(a) install and use a copy of the Software on one personal computer or
other device; and
(b) install an additional copy of the Software on a second, portable
device for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy of
the Software.

Correction. Duh I did say this
"Go back in this thread"

"I being reading the xp general newsgroup. It always has been with
any office version.


The XP general is a WINDOWS group. You want information about OFFICE you
post in an OFFICE group. What you have posted is NOT correct. It is not true
with "any Office version" but I have done that to death and I am not about
to thrash this particular dead horse anymore.


That can install it on one computer and a
portable computer. It can not to be used at the same time"

I did not add ((for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first
copy of the Software.)) No mvp's told me about this.


Suggest you change who you listen to. Windows MVPs don't know an awful lot
about Office, it's not their field. Just as Office MVPs don't know an awful
lot about Windows, as it isn't their area of expertise. You want solid
answers about Office you post in an Office group. Want answers about
Windows? Post in a Windows group.It isn't rocket science (I was going to say
'brain surgery' but, as you appear to have had a full frontal lobotomy,
you'd know all about that).




I really don’t appreciate your comments about my grammar. You are
the only one who had trouble understanding what I put into writing.
I do have a little trouble putting something things into writing. It
is even worse when I am tired or mad. You sure don’t need to be nasty
either. Instead of telling people their grammar is bad. Ask them
what they mean. Most people including me. Will try to explain it
better.


I am an English major. I will correct people's grammar as I see fit. Yours
is appalling. If you don't want to receive remarks like mine, suggest you
sign up for a remedial English class.

I notice you didn't respond to my other remarks. Probably didn't understand
them.



I would rather you ignored me, then give me those nasty comments.


Nah. This is more fun.

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lose his marbles?



 




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