OE Tool problem

Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that such a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe

Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out =
why they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all =
running programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. =
I think when system resources are very limited, then these problems are =
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message =
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options =
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., =
General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get =
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a =
switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that =
such a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?
=20
Thanks,
Joe
=20

Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe

As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why =
on others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, =
since I can't reproduce it with regularity.

Sorry.

You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the =
icon in the system tray and choosing exit.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message =
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still =
the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon =
still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: =
General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, =
Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the =
toggle
then.
=20
Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure =
out why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all =
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I =
think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are =
exacerbated.
=20
steve
=20
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options =
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., =
General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't =
get the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a =
switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that =
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe


=20

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. One cannot exit at that point because the
application and machine are hung and there is no response to the mouse. But
in any event I did not mean my post as a complaint but in the spirit of
providing you some information, should you be looking at your code sometime,
in the spirit of your statement, 'This issue is being investigated.'
It does this with regularity on this machine, and in the same spirit
I'll mention that a possibility that this suggests to me is one of timing,
since this is a 486 DX4-100 VL bus machine, 64 MB RAM, using a Promise
VL-Bus controller to operate HDs and CDR/RW drive, along with an UltraStor
VL-Bus SCSI adapter to operate a scanner, so I am used to having things
stretched as far as they will go, you see.
Since the machine doesn't take well to loading, I generally unload all
the excess stuff using MSCONFIG to get maximum access to both the bus and
memory, and the machine does tolerably well, for such an old one, except on
pages with too much scripting, etc.
Anyhow, the point is that it's normally very reliable, but on the times
it's given me trouble, the issues have been suggestive of timing precision,
and though that might be hard to translate through the layers of 9x, perhaps
it will provide some help.

Best of Luck,
Joe
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why on
others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, since I
can't reproduce it with regularity.

Sorry.

You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the icon
in the system tray and choosing exit.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out
why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe

Postscript: I forgot to add that once it gave:
OETool performed an illegal opration and will be shutdown.
Exception 10h in MSVBVM60.DLL @ 0167:660d0956
Sorry, I didn't do a dump. Don't know if any of this is a help, or if
you're tired of it or what, but, best of luck.
J
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why on
others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, since I
can't reproduce it with regularity.

Sorry.

You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the icon
in the system tray and choosing exit.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out
why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe

No problem. I suspect its a resource issue, given the machine you have. =
That function of the program simulates the user actions, and its a =
hack, and I expect its going too fast for your system to catch up with.

What occured to me that what you might try is a defrag and see if that =
has an effect.

cheers,

steve

"jt3" wrote in message =
...
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. One cannot exit at that point because =
the
application and machine are hung and there is no response to the =
mouse. But
in any event I did not mean my post as a complaint but in the spirit =
of
providing you some information, should you be looking at your code =
sometime,
in the spirit of your statement, 'This issue is being investigated.'
It does this with regularity on this machine, and in the same =
spirit
I'll mention that a possibility that this suggests to me is one of =
timing,
since this is a 486 DX4-100 VL bus machine, 64 MB RAM, using a Promise
VL-Bus controller to operate HDs and CDR/RW drive, along with an =
UltraStor
VL-Bus SCSI adapter to operate a scanner, so I am used to having =
things
stretched as far as they will go, you see.
Since the machine doesn't take well to loading, I generally unload =
all
the excess stuff using MSCONFIG to get maximum access to both the bus =
and
memory, and the machine does tolerably well, for such an old one, =
except on
pages with too much scripting, etc.
Anyhow, the point is that it's normally very reliable, but on the =
times
it's given me trouble, the issues have been suggestive of timing =
precision,
and though that might be hard to translate through the layers of 9x, =
perhaps
it will provide some help.
=20
Best of Luck,
Joe
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and =
why on
others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, =
since I
can't reproduce it with regularity.
=20
Sorry.
=20
You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on =
the icon
in the system tray and choosing exit.
=20
steve
=20
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); =
still the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon =
still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: =
General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, =
Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the =
toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure =
out
why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I =
think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the =
Options
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., =
General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't =
get
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a =
switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest =
that
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe




=20

Thanks. Will try again when I can--machine went down this PM and I may be a
while getting it back up.
Good luck,
Joe
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
No problem. I suspect its a resource issue, given the machine you have.
That function of the program simulates the user actions, and its a hack, and
I expect its going too fast for your system to catch up with.

What occured to me that what you might try is a defrag and see if that has
an effect.

cheers,

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. One cannot exit at that point because the
application and machine are hung and there is no response to the mouse.
But
in any event I did not mean my post as a complaint but in the spirit of
providing you some information, should you be looking at your code
sometime,
in the spirit of your statement, 'This issue is being investigated.'
It does this with regularity on this machine, and in the same spirit
I'll mention that a possibility that this suggests to me is one of timing,
since this is a 486 DX4-100 VL bus machine, 64 MB RAM, using a Promise
VL-Bus controller to operate HDs and CDR/RW drive, along with an UltraStor
VL-Bus SCSI adapter to operate a scanner, so I am used to having things
stretched as far as they will go, you see.
Since the machine doesn't take well to loading, I generally unload all
the excess stuff using MSCONFIG to get maximum access to both the bus and
memory, and the machine does tolerably well, for such an old one, except
on
pages with too much scripting, etc.
Anyhow, the point is that it's normally very reliable, but on the times
it's given me trouble, the issues have been suggestive of timing
precision,
and though that might be hard to translate through the layers of 9x,
perhaps
it will provide some help.

Best of Luck,
Joe
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why on
others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, since
I
can't reproduce it with regularity.

Sorry.

You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the
icon
in the system tray and choosing exit.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still
the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon
still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out
why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g.,
General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message

....
QP
No problem. I suspect its a resource issue, given the machine you have.
That function of the program simulates the user actions, and its a hack, and
I expect its going too fast for your system to catch up with.
/QP

Does Win 98 have anything analogous to NT's task priority?
(e.g. set by Task Manager or from command line)
If so you might be able to give it the response it needs that way.


---



What occured to me that what you might try is a defrag and see if that has an effect.

cheers,

steve

"jt3" wrote in message ...
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. One cannot exit at that point because the
application and machine are hung and there is no response to the mouse. But
in any event I did not mean my post as a complaint but in the spirit of
providing you some information, should you be looking at your code sometime,
in the spirit of your statement, 'This issue is being investigated.'
It does this with regularity on this machine, and in the same spirit
I'll mention that a possibility that this suggests to me is one of timing,
since this is a 486 DX4-100 VL bus machine, 64 MB RAM, using a Promise
VL-Bus controller to operate HDs and CDR/RW drive, along with an UltraStor
VL-Bus SCSI adapter to operate a scanner, so I am used to having things
stretched as far as they will go, you see.
Since the machine doesn't take well to loading, I generally unload all
the excess stuff using MSCONFIG to get maximum access to both the bus and
memory, and the machine does tolerably well, for such an old one, except on
pages with too much scripting, etc.
Anyhow, the point is that it's normally very reliable, but on the times
it's given me trouble, the issues have been suggestive of timing precision,
and though that might be hard to translate through the layers of 9x, perhaps
it will provide some help.

Best of Luck,
Joe
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why on
others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, since I
can't reproduce it with regularity.

Sorry.

You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the icon
in the system tray and choosing exit.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out
why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe

"jt3" wrote in message ...
Postscript: I forgot to add that once it gave:
OETool performed an illegal opration and will be shutdown.
Exception 10h in MSVBVM60.DLL @ 0167:660d0956
Sorry, I didn't do a dump. Don't know if any of this is a help, or if
you're tired of it or what, but, best of luck.

One thing you should do when you see something like this is verify
the version of the module. If you have installed anything else recently
which was also written in Visual Basic it might have installed an older
version of the virtual machine (i.e. regressed the one that Steve's program
prefers.)

I think that there may actually be a set of modules which you could check for consistency at the same time too.

titleKB190130 - INFO: Description of VB 6.0 Run Time and OLE Automation Files/title

I can't find any precise documentation about the contents of the run-time
redistributable but if necessary you could download it and expand it to find out which ones are actually included.


---


J
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
As I indicated, I can't figure out why on some systems it works and why on
others it doesn't. Its one of those problems that I can't diagnose, since I
can't reproduce it with regularity.

Sorry.

You can exit OETool without using Task manager by right clicking on the icon
in the system tray and choosing exit.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Tried unloading everything except systray.exe (via Msconfig); still the
same:
1) click on toggle text mode:
button icons change to 'HTML', after Options menu comes up and is
cancelled, but no change in the text mode on screen.
2) Retry, Options menu again, cancel, no change (in display and icon still
HTML); retry,
3) Options again, cancel, *ding*, small 'OE Tool' box comes up: General 3
comes up, at this point, it hangs.
4) Use Task Mgr (Ctrl-Alt-Del) to kill OE Tool, and then OE works OK.
5) Tried then toggling the same mail using the Options menu, Read, Plain
text, and it worked just fine.
Writing this, I see that I didn't check the reverse process, i.e.,
having OE in HTML mode first then loading OE Tool and trying the toggle
then.

Joe
Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Its a very tricky thing when those problems show up. I can't figure out
why
they occur when they do. It does work in Win98. Try disabling all
running
programs besides OE and OETool and see if it works better then. I think
when system resources are very limited, then these problems are
exacerbated.

steve

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Downloaded OE Tool and tried it, great idea but can't get it to work
properly--just as described on the Web pg in the caveats, the Options
menu
comes up and then continually reappearing small boxes with, e.g., General
3, or other tabs mentioned. But more of a problem is that I can't get
the
toggle on the text/HTML to work at all, once it has made a switch--just
keeps bringing up the options menu. The caveats seem to suggest that
such
a
case is hopeless on 98SE--that so?

Thanks,
Joe