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I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf
or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!! Here is my problem I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14 and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other previous pages? This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is there a prize for user unfriendliness? Flossie |
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"Love a Sheep" wrote in message om... I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!! If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the workman who always blames the tools? And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is well-documented. Here is my problem I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14 and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other previous pages? This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is there a prize for user unfriendliness? |
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"Jezebel" wrote in message ...
"Love a Sheep" wrote in message om... I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!! If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the workman who always blames the tools? And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is well-documented. Here is my problem I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14 and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other previous pages? This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is there a prize for user unfriendliness? Sorry to spoil your fantasy about it being easy but I have had no less than 5 people so far trying to do this, one of whom considers himself to be quite good at Word. He found the Help and we did the page break and we unchecked same as previous. (before I wrote to this newsgroup as a last resort) It still did not work ie it changes all the other even pages.I honestly thought it would work as we followed the instruction exactly. I am now beginning to think there is a bug for this case. Besides all this, some of us simply do not have the time and patience to spend half a day trying to do something as simple as this. If Word is not for page layout then what is it for? Typing letters? Why does it have some the features associated with DTP when it is obviously lacking - if not in features then at least in user friendliness? I assume Microsoft Publisher would do the job far better - maybe I will investigate this.My colleagues are using LaTex and despite my reservatiosn about it too, it seems to be light years ahead - and it is free!! Flossie |
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You obviously haven't followed the instructions. Insert the page break. Go
to section 2. Activate the header or footer that you want to change. Uncheck the 'Same as previous' checkbox. Make the change to your header/footer. Repeat for each header/footer. That's all. There is no bug. It works. Just pay attention and stop swearing at the software. "Love a Sheep" wrote in message om... "Jezebel" wrote in message ... "Love a Sheep" wrote in message om... I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!! If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the workman who always blames the tools? And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is well-documented. Here is my problem I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14 and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other previous pages? This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is there a prize for user unfriendliness? Sorry to spoil your fantasy about it being easy but I have had no less than 5 people so far trying to do this, one of whom considers himself to be quite good at Word. He found the Help and we did the page break and we unchecked same as previous. (before I wrote to this newsgroup as a last resort) It still did not work ie it changes all the other even pages.I honestly thought it would work as we followed the instruction exactly. I am now beginning to think there is a bug for this case. Besides all this, some of us simply do not have the time and patience to spend half a day trying to do something as simple as this. If Word is not for page layout then what is it for? Typing letters? Why does it have some the features associated with DTP when it is obviously lacking - if not in features then at least in user friendliness? I assume Microsoft Publisher would do the job far better - maybe I will investigate this.My colleagues are using LaTex and despite my reservatiosn about it too, it seems to be light years ahead - and it is free!! Flossie |
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Not a page break: a Next Page *section* break.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Love a Sheep" wrote in message om... "Jezebel" wrote in message ... "Love a Sheep" wrote in message om... I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!! If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the workman who always blames the tools? And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is well-documented. Here is my problem I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14 and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other previous pages? This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is there a prize for user unfriendliness? Sorry to spoil your fantasy about it being easy but I have had no less than 5 people so far trying to do this, one of whom considers himself to be quite good at Word. He found the Help and we did the page break and we unchecked same as previous. (before I wrote to this newsgroup as a last resort) It still did not work ie it changes all the other even pages.I honestly thought it would work as we followed the instruction exactly. I am now beginning to think there is a bug for this case. Besides all this, some of us simply do not have the time and patience to spend half a day trying to do something as simple as this. If Word is not for page layout then what is it for? Typing letters? Why does it have some the features associated with DTP when it is obviously lacking - if not in features then at least in user friendliness? I assume Microsoft Publisher would do the job far better - maybe I will investigate this.My colleagues are using LaTex and despite my reservatiosn about it too, it seems to be light years ahead - and it is free!! Flossie |
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Hi Flossie,
You can work around the problem by using a field code for your Even Page Header: {IF{SECTIONPAGES}= 1 "" "Even Page Header"} and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a 'next page' section break. What the above field does is to suppress the page header for any section with only 1 page. This should be easier to manage than having to remember to unlink & delete the header from the last Section. Alternatively, you could use a field in your Even Page Header coded like: {IF{PAGE}= {NUMPAGES} "" "Even Page Header"} and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a page break. However, this will suppress the even header on any last page - which you might not want if it's got text. Cheers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release Date: 3/05/2004 |
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"macropod" (del NO.SPAM) wrote in message ...
Hi Flossie, You can work around the problem by using a field code for your Even Page Header: {IF{SECTIONPAGES}= 1 "" "Even Page Header"} and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a 'next page' section break. What the above field does is to suppress the page header for any section with only 1 page. This should be easier to manage than having to remember to unlink & delete the header from the last Section. Alternatively, you could use a field in your Even Page Header coded like: {IF{PAGE}= {NUMPAGES} "" "Even Page Header"} and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a page break. However, this will suppress the even header on any last page - which you might not want if it's got text. Cheers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.676 / Virus Database: 438 - Release Date: 3/05/2004 Thanks everybody - I now have it working!! (well not quite). The Word bit works but I now have to convert this to PDF format. When I do this an extra page appears in the PDF file (totally blank) between my desired last page with the even number and the last page of each artical. I need to stitch all the PDFs together for the printer so a blank page is not on. I think when I do page break new page it confuses Acrobat in some way. I got around this by just finishing on an odd number and stitching on an even numbered page at the end using Acrobat.Why is this so hard? Flossie |
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Hi Flossie,
You can work around the problem by using a field code for your Even Page Header: {IF{SECTIONPAGES}= 1 "" "Even Page Header"} and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a 'next page' section break. What the above field does is to suppress the page header for any section with only 1 page. Alternatively, you could use a field in your Even Page Header coded like: {IF{PAGE}= {NUMPAGES} "" "Even Page Header"} and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a page break. However, this will suppress the even header on any last page - which you might not want if it's got text. Cheers --- Message posted from http://www.ExcelForum.com/ |
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