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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
"VanguardLH" wrote: mtb wrote: Vanguard said: You never mentioned WHICH version of Outlook that you are using. 2002 You're using Outlook 2002 and expect anything in its feature set to change? Mainstream support ended back in 2006. That means no program changes. Security updates will continue until the end of extended support sometime in 2011. No matter what default is selected, someone is going to complain that they want some other value. EXACTLY! EXACTLY! This is the whole point I am making. You CAN make everyone happy by allowing them to CHOOSE their own default that works with their schedule. It's just a matter of adding another combobox in the options. No, it isn't. If one default can be user configurable then why not EVERY default? Like I said, there are LOTS of defaults. Every field or setting in the calendar event when creating it has a default. I counted at least 22 items with a default value. Have you tried Duncan's suggestion of creating a template form and using that when you create new calendar events? That seems to give you all the tweaking you could possibly want. I haven't done this. Create a new event, set up all the fields with whatever default you want, and then use File - Save As to save it as a template (.oft file). Thereafter you'll use File - New - Choose Form to open that template (there might be an easier way to at the template; since I don't use them, I don't know any shortcuts for using them). It is possible that a later version of Outlook did make some changes. They haven't yet. You have a copy of OL2007 to check? You said you were still back on OL2002 (like me). Why does it seem like you are just posting to argue. What I am saying is no brainer stuff. Everyone could benefit from it. Don't you want more useability out of the program. Of course there are a lot defaults BUT only a few that matter. If you are creating a lot of appointments, this is one of them. You have a copy of OL2007 to check? You said you were still back on OL2002 (like me). Once again, jumping to conclusions. Why do you think I know that 2007 doesn't have this fixed? Maybe because when I realized 2002 didn't have it I did a web search? Do a search for this "18 hour reminder outlook" and see how many people are complaining about this on various forums. All with even the latest Outlook. |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
"VanguardLH" wrote: Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook] wrote: "mtb" wrote in message ... I'm sorry, I don't quite follow you. Could you please explain? She means that since you must change other things when you create your all-day event, just set the proper reminder as well before saving the event. It's hardly any additional effort. Actually if he could change the default, he would probably find he has to change it as often as he does now. Considering it is a reminder before the event and because different events requires differing lead times for the reminder, a default for this value really doesn't make any sense. However, it is a drop-down listbox of multiple values so one of them gets picked as the default. Zero would've been just as valid a default as is 18 hours. But 18 hours means you get woke up at 6:00am THE DAY BEFORE the All Day event. Out of all the times they could have picked. |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
"Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: "mtb" wrote in message ... I'm sorry, I don't quite follow you. Could you please explain? She means that since you must change other things when you create your all-day event, just set the proper reminder as well before saving the event. It's hardly any additional effort. -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook] The problem with this is I am not the only one who creates appointments in the family Outlook. |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
On Fri, 29 May 2009 17:13:19 +0000 (UTC), F.H. Muffman wrote:
I have been woken up for the last 6 months at 6:00am the morning BEFORE an all-day appointment. I have tried hard to figure it out. Finally, this morning was enough. Finally I did a search on it and was so shocked to see how many people have complained about this over the YEARS. Is anyone listening? This is crazy! Why is microsoft not listening? It is such an easy fix! Just make the default all day events reminder adjustable by the user WHO BUYS THE PROGRAM! Did I say BUYS THE PROGRAM yet? Then everyone can adjust the default to what suits them. Please fix this. You sleep in the same room with a computer that is running? Many users do. If they don't have a large enough living/dining room in their 1-bedroom apartment, the computer desk ends up in their bedroom. That's why when I used to hunt around for 1-bedroom apartments, I'd look for those with a large main room (for the living & dining room areas). Easy solutions would be: Turn off computer before going to bed. If computer must be allowed to run, turn off speakers and monitor. Not everyone only gets their reminders on computers. Some of us have phones that actually sync their calendars and are on call, so need our phones near our bed. I just use an old fashioned alarm clock; no need for "crackberries". After reading the rest of this thread, it doesn't sound like a problem at all, much less an insurmountable one. Just change the setting when you set the reminder. Still way too easy. I suspect people are just getting lazy, and looking for artificial intelligence. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
I have been woken up for the last 6 months at 6:00am the morning
BEFORE an all-day appointment. I have tried hard to figure it out. Finally, this morning was enough. Finally I did a search on it and was so shocked to see how many people have complained about this over the YEARS. Is anyone listening? This is crazy! Why is microsoft not listening? It is such an easy fix! Just make the default all day events reminder adjustable by the user WHO BUYS THE PROGRAM! Did I say BUYS THE PROGRAM yet? Then everyone can adjust the default to what suits them. Please fix this. You sleep in the same room with a computer that is running? Many users do. If they don't have a large enough living/dining room in their 1-bedroom apartment, the computer desk ends up in their bedroom. That's why when I used to hunt around for 1-bedroom apartments, I'd look for those with a large main room (for the living & dining room areas). Easy solutions would be: Turn off computer before going to bed. If computer must be allowed to run, turn off speakers and monitor. Not everyone only gets their reminders on computers. Some of us have phones that actually sync their calendars and are on call, so need our phones near our bed. I just use an old fashioned alarm clock; no need for "crackberries". Uh, that's nice for you. a) So what? Just because someone uses their phone as an alarm clock means they're stupid or somehow unworthy? b) I sleep with my work phone next to my bed. Not because I use it for an alarm clock, but because I am on call. If I don't hear the phone ring, I am out of a job. After reading the rest of this thread, it doesn't sound like a problem at all, much less an insurmountable one. Just change the setting when you set the reminder. Still way too easy. I suspect people are just getting lazy, and looking for artificial intelligence. Insurmountable? No, it isn't. A valid request? Sure. You can set the default reminder time for a regular meeting but not an All Day one? It isn't looking for 'artificial intelligence', it's looking for consistency. Why should an All Day appointment have a different *and* non-configurable default reminder time from a non All Day appointment? -- f.h. Microsoft Outlook MVP |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
Correct - all versions of outlook behave the same - the all day reminder is
18 hrs and can't be changed globally. You need to change it each time you make an al day event. -- Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Outlook Tips by email: EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange: You can access this newsgroup by visiting http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...s/default.mspx or point your newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com. "mtb" wrote in message ... "VanguardLH" wrote: mtb wrote: Vanguard said: You never mentioned WHICH version of Outlook that you are using. 2002 You're using Outlook 2002 and expect anything in its feature set to change? Mainstream support ended back in 2006. That means no program changes. Security updates will continue until the end of extended support sometime in 2011. No matter what default is selected, someone is going to complain that they want some other value. EXACTLY! EXACTLY! This is the whole point I am making. You CAN make everyone happy by allowing them to CHOOSE their own default that works with their schedule. It's just a matter of adding another combobox in the options. No, it isn't. If one default can be user configurable then why not EVERY default? Like I said, there are LOTS of defaults. Every field or setting in the calendar event when creating it has a default. I counted at least 22 items with a default value. Have you tried Duncan's suggestion of creating a template form and using that when you create new calendar events? That seems to give you all the tweaking you could possibly want. I haven't done this. Create a new event, set up all the fields with whatever default you want, and then use File - Save As to save it as a template (.oft file). Thereafter you'll use File - New - Choose Form to open that template (there might be an easier way to at the template; since I don't use them, I don't know any shortcuts for using them). It is possible that a later version of Outlook did make some changes. They haven't yet. You have a copy of OL2007 to check? You said you were still back on OL2002 (like me). Why does it seem like you are just posting to argue. What I am saying is no brainer stuff. Everyone could benefit from it. Don't you want more useability out of the program. Of course there are a lot defaults BUT only a few that matter. If you are creating a lot of appointments, this is one of them. You have a copy of OL2007 to check? You said you were still back on OL2002 (like me). Once again, jumping to conclusions. Why do you think I know that 2007 doesn't have this fixed? Maybe because when I realized 2002 didn't have it I did a web search? Do a search for this "18 hour reminder outlook" and see how many people are complaining about this on various forums. All with even the latest Outlook. |
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b) I sleep with my work phone next to my bed. Not because I use it for an
alarm clock, but because I am on call. If I don't hear the phone ring, I am out of a job. Hubby hates it when I forget to set my crackberry back to auto off/on when I work late. My ringtone is a bird call and I tried convincing him it was the birds outside. On a trip to Seattle, I thought I heard my phone go off... it was the seagulls outside. g It isn't looking for 'artificial intelligence', it's looking for consistency. Why should an All Day appointment have a different *and* non-configurable default reminder time from a non All Day appointment? The different reminder time makes sense for all day appointments - you don't want an all day event reminder at 11:45 PM.... it makes about as much sense at 6 am. But it would be nice if you could pick your own reminder time. -- Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Outlook Tips by email: EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange: You can access this newsgroup by visiting http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...s/default.mspx or point your newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com. "F.H. Muffman" wrote in message .com... I have been woken up for the last 6 months at 6:00am the morning BEFORE an all-day appointment. I have tried hard to figure it out. Finally, this morning was enough. Finally I did a search on it and was so shocked to see how many people have complained about this over the YEARS. Is anyone listening? This is crazy! Why is microsoft not listening? It is such an easy fix! Just make the default all day events reminder adjustable by the user WHO BUYS THE PROGRAM! Did I say BUYS THE PROGRAM yet? Then everyone can adjust the default to what suits them. Please fix this. You sleep in the same room with a computer that is running? Many users do. If they don't have a large enough living/dining room in their 1-bedroom apartment, the computer desk ends up in their bedroom. That's why when I used to hunt around for 1-bedroom apartments, I'd look for those with a large main room (for the living & dining room areas). Easy solutions would be: Turn off computer before going to bed. If computer must be allowed to run, turn off speakers and monitor. Not everyone only gets their reminders on computers. Some of us have phones that actually sync their calendars and are on call, so need our phones near our bed. I just use an old fashioned alarm clock; no need for "crackberries". Uh, that's nice for you. a) So what? Just because someone uses their phone as an alarm clock means they're stupid or somehow unworthy? b) I sleep with my work phone next to my bed. Not because I use it for an alarm clock, but because I am on call. If I don't hear the phone ring, I am out of a job. After reading the rest of this thread, it doesn't sound like a problem at all, much less an insurmountable one. Just change the setting when you set the reminder. Still way too easy. I suspect people are just getting lazy, and looking for artificial intelligence. Insurmountable? No, it isn't. A valid request? Sure. You can set the default reminder time for a regular meeting but not an All Day one? It isn't looking for 'artificial intelligence', it's looking for consistency. Why should an All Day appointment have a different *and* non-configurable default reminder time from a non All Day appointment? -- f.h. Microsoft Outlook MVP |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
mtb wrote:
What I am saying is no brainer stuff. Everyone could benefit from it. Don't you want more useability out of the program. Of course there are a lot defaults BUT only a few that matter. If you are creating a lot of appointments, this is one of them. And have you yet tried using the template approach that Duncan mentioned? Seems like it gives you as much or as little of the tweaks that you want. http://www.google.com/search?q=%2B"outlook+2007"+%2B"18+hour"+%2Breminde r 127 hits for OL2007 (1770 with no version specified) is hardly convincing and overwhelming proof that there is/was massive demand for this setting to be configurable. What I draw from the Google search is there are NOT a pervasive count of users asking for the tweaking that you want. It seems that Outlook *can* do what you want and was described by Duncan. Now you have to go do it. |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
mtb wrote:
But 18 hours means you get woke up at 6:00am THE DAY BEFORE the All Day event. Out of all the times they could have picked. Because may first-shifters start their workday early. That you get up at 9AM is probably not the standard wakeup time for day shifters. What good would be reminder if you woke up, got dressed, ate breakfast, brushed your teeth, shaved or did other preening, and headed off to work to have the reminder popup after you left? If the computer is at work, the reminder will already be there when you arrive. If an event is truly an all-day event then perhaps you need to be making arrangements today for tomorrow's whole-day event at the beginning of today rather than at the end (when you might've already left work). See, I can come up with as many counter scenarios as you can propose for your scenarios. Microsoft didn't happen to pick a default that YOU like. Did you yet try Duncan's suggestion of creating a template so you can have it tweaked just how you want? Seems the solution exists but you have yet to avail yourself of it. If you don't want to use a template that has all your tweaked values, it's possible that an add-on could alter those settings. Maybe there is code or someone can help over at http://outlook-code.com/ or in one of the VBA programming newsgroups. You could shop around for a VBA programmer to commission them to write you an add-on. Microsoft did plan ahead for alterations to their Outlook product by providing an API to their product so you can code, borrow, or buy an add-on that does what you want. |
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PLEASE fix the 18 hour reminder! Won't anyone listen?
mtb wrote:
"Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: She means that since you must change other things when you create your all-day event, just set the proper reminder as well before saving the event. It's hardly any additional effort. The problem with this is I am not the only one who creates appointments in the family Outlook. So your "argument" is to thwart lazy users? Do all them want the same default for the reminder as do you? You are actually letting ALL users share the same Windows logon and the same mail profile, too? |
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