Header page margins

I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf
or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the
code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!!
Here is my problem

I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is
different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper
appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this
ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I
need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page
at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered
page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than
the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the
author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14
and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours
on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I
isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other
previous pages?
This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is
there a prize for user unfriendliness?

Flossie

"Love a Sheep" wrote in message
om...
I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf
or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the
code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!!

If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a
word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the
workman who always blames the tools?

And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section
break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be
different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the
Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file
rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you would
have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is
well-documented.


Here is my problem

I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is
different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper
appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this
ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I
need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page
at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered
page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than
the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the
author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14
and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours
on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I
isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other
previous pages?
This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is
there a prize for user unfriendliness?

"Jezebel" wrote in message ...
"Love a Sheep" wrote in message
om...
I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf
or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the
code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!!

If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a
word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the
workman who always blames the tools?

And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section
break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be
different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the
Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file
rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you would
have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is
well-documented.


Here is my problem

I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is
different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper
appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this
ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I
need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page
at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered
page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than
the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the
author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14
and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours
on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I
isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other
previous pages?
This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is
there a prize for user unfriendliness?

Sorry to spoil your fantasy about it being easy but I have had no less
than 5 people so far trying to do this, one of whom considers himself
to be quite good at Word. He found the Help and we did the page break
and we unchecked same as previous. (before I wrote to this newsgroup
as a last resort) It still did not work ie it changes all the other
even pages.I honestly thought it would work as we followed the
instruction exactly.
I am now beginning to think there is a bug for this case.
Besides all this, some of us simply do not have the time and patience
to spend half a day trying to do something as simple as this. If Word
is not for page layout then what is it for? Typing letters? Why does
it have some the features associated with DTP when it is obviously
lacking - if not in features then at least in user friendliness? I
assume Microsoft Publisher would do the job far better - maybe I will
investigate this.My colleagues are using LaTex and despite my
reservatiosn about it too, it seems to be light years ahead - and it
is free!!

Flossie

You obviously haven't followed the instructions. Insert the page break. Go
to section 2. Activate the header or footer that you want to change. Uncheck
the 'Same as previous' checkbox. Make the change to your header/footer.
Repeat for each header/footer. That's all. There is no bug. It works. Just
pay attention and stop swearing at the software.



"Love a Sheep" wrote in message
om...
"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
"Love a Sheep" wrote in message
om...
I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf
or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the
code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!!

If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a
word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the
workman who always blames the tools?

And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section
break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be
different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the
Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file
rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you
would
have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is
well-documented.


Here is my problem

I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is
different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper
appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this
ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I
need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page
at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered
page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than
the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the
author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14
and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours
on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I
isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other
previous pages?
This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is
there a prize for user unfriendliness?

Sorry to spoil your fantasy about it being easy but I have had no less
than 5 people so far trying to do this, one of whom considers himself
to be quite good at Word. He found the Help and we did the page break
and we unchecked same as previous. (before I wrote to this newsgroup
as a last resort) It still did not work ie it changes all the other
even pages.I honestly thought it would work as we followed the
instruction exactly.
I am now beginning to think there is a bug for this case.
Besides all this, some of us simply do not have the time and patience
to spend half a day trying to do something as simple as this. If Word
is not for page layout then what is it for? Typing letters? Why does
it have some the features associated with DTP when it is obviously
lacking - if not in features then at least in user friendliness? I
assume Microsoft Publisher would do the job far better - maybe I will
investigate this.My colleagues are using LaTex and despite my
reservatiosn about it too, it seems to be light years ahead - and it
is free!!

Flossie

Not a page break: a Next Page *section* break.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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"Love a Sheep" wrote in message
om...
"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
"Love a Sheep" wrote in message
om...
I am somebody used to using a real desktop publisher (like Interleaf
or Pagemaker) and am stuck with Word -I feel that whoever wrote the
code for this should be taken out and shot - it is bad!!

If you start with this attitude you will always have problems. Word is a
word-processor, not a page layout program. What's the saying about the
workman who always blames the tools?

And despite your assertions, the answer is simple. You insert a section
break, then format the headers/footers for the second section to be
different from the first. (Uncheck the 'Same as previous' button on the
Headers toolbar). If you had put some minutes into reading the help file
rather than spending hours fuming about the incompetence of Word, you
would
have saved yourself a lot of grief. This feature, at least, is
well-documented.


Here is my problem

I have mirror margins - like a Journal and I have a header which is
different on odd and even pages. For example the title of the paper
appears on odd pages and the author on even pages. I can handle this
ok and I have a front page and page numbers. The trouble arises when I
need (in the case of a paper with odd page numbers)to add a blank page
at the end with a page number. For example suppose a paper is numbered
page 1 to 13. I need a blank page 14 at the end with nothing else than
the page number 14. When I add this page I get the full header (ie the
author since it is an even page). I delete the author name in page 14
and it deletes it from all the other even pages!!! I have spent hours
on this - done the Page setup new front page thing but how do I
isolate a header so that when I change it it does not effect the other
previous pages?
This should be simple but clearly it is not - why such a mess - is
there a prize for user unfriendliness?

Sorry to spoil your fantasy about it being easy but I have had no less
than 5 people so far trying to do this, one of whom considers himself
to be quite good at Word. He found the Help and we did the page break
and we unchecked same as previous. (before I wrote to this newsgroup
as a last resort) It still did not work ie it changes all the other
even pages.I honestly thought it would work as we followed the
instruction exactly.
I am now beginning to think there is a bug for this case.
Besides all this, some of us simply do not have the time and patience
to spend half a day trying to do something as simple as this. If Word
is not for page layout then what is it for? Typing letters? Why does
it have some the features associated with DTP when it is obviously
lacking - if not in features then at least in user friendliness? I
assume Microsoft Publisher would do the job far better - maybe I will
investigate this.My colleagues are using LaTex and despite my
reservatiosn about it too, it seems to be light years ahead - and it
is free!!

Flossie

Hi Flossie,

You can work around the problem by using a field code for your Even Page
Header:
{IF{SECTIONPAGES}= 1 "" "Even Page Header"}
and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a 'next page'
section break. What the above field does is to suppress the page header for
any section with only 1 page. This should be easier to manage than having to
remember to unlink & delete the header from the last Section.

Alternatively, you could use a field in your Even Page Header coded like:
{IF{PAGE}= {NUMPAGES} "" "Even Page Header"}
and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a page break.
However, this will suppress the even header on any last page - which you
might not want if it's got text.

Cheers


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Hi Flossie,

You can work around the problem by using a field code for your Even Page
Header:
{IF{SECTIONPAGES}= 1 "" "Even Page Header"}
and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a 'next page'
section break. What the above field does is to suppress the page header for
any section with only 1 page. This should be easier to manage than having to
remember to unlink & delete the header from the last Section.

Alternatively, you could use a field in your Even Page Header coded like:
{IF{PAGE}= {NUMPAGES} "" "Even Page Header"}
and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a page break.
However, this will suppress the even header on any last page - which you
might not want if it's got text.

Cheers


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Thanks everybody - I now have it working!! (well not quite). The Word
bit works but I now have to convert this to PDF format. When I do this
an extra page appears in the PDF file (totally blank) between my
desired last page with the even number and the last page of each
artical. I need to stitch all the PDFs together for the printer so a
blank page is not on. I think when I do page break new page it
confuses Acrobat in some way. I got around this by just finishing on
an odd number and stitching on an even numbered page at the end using
Acrobat.Why is this so hard?

Flossie

Hi Flossie,

You can work around the problem by using a field code for your Even
Page Header:
{IF{SECTIONPAGES}= 1 "" "Even Page Header"}
and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a 'next page'
section break. What the above field does is to suppress the page header
for any section with only 1 page.

Alternatively, you could use a field in your Even Page Header coded
like:
{IF{PAGE}= {NUMPAGES} "" "Even Page Header"}
and, when you need to add an even 'last page', inserting a page break.
However, this will suppress the even header on any last page - which
you might not want if it's got text.

Cheers


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