Changing Tab Order of slides without transitions

I need to be able to make a slide more accessible for people using adaptive
technology. This means I often have to reorder objects/placeholders on a
slide so that someone using the keyboard can Tab to them in their logical
reading order.

I remember that you could do something like this when an audio file was
attached to a slide or there was a transition to it, but these slides have
none of those element and I can't figure out how to do this.

I am using Powerpoint 2007.

BTW, I don't suppose there is any easy way to change an inaccessible text
box to an accessible placeholder without redoing/copying and pasting the
content?

Cheers, Karenn

In article , Karen McCall
wrote:
I need to be able to make a slide more accessible for people using adaptive
technology. This means I often have to reorder objects/placeholders on a
slide so that someone using the keyboard can Tab to them in their logical
reading order.

I remember that you could do something like this when an audio file was
attached to a slide or there was a transition to it, but these slides have
none of those element and I can't figure out how to do this.

Visit http://www.pptools.com/ppt2html/

The free PPT2HTML demo add-in includes an accessibility assistant tool that
will help with this and more. No need to purchase anything, no obligation
other than keeping up the good work in making presentations more accessible.

And definitely read Glenna Shaw's Incredible Accessible Presentation article:
http://www.pptmagic.com/articles/accessppt.htm

BTW, I don't suppose there is any easy way to change an inaccessible text
box to an accessible placeholder without redoing/copying and pasting the
content?

What type of text boxes are these? Normal PPT ones? I'm surprised that
they're not accessible. Via screen reader, I assume? Does it just ignore text
boxes altogether? There've been some changes to the format and object model in
PPT ... what if you create the same content in text boxes in PPT 2003? Is the
text then accessible? Just trying to pin down the problem.

-----------------------------------------
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================

Thanks, the article was interesting with only one issue: text boxes are
inherently inaccessible whether used in Word or PowerPoint or Excel. Text in
text boxes or auto shapes is simply ignored by screen readers since screen
readers do not "recognize" these objects. It may be read while in slide show
view but not while you are reading the slides themselves or if an outline
from a presentaiton is provided as alternate format.

I was pleased that using the default "placeholder" containers is more easily
found in PowerPoint 2007 since these are accessible and shuld be used instead
of text boxes.

It is true that some recent versions of screen readers can access some
content in text boxes but this is hit and miss and shouldn't be relied upon
since many people have older versions of their technology.

I will; however, add more metadata to my presentations. I use a screen rader
and do workshops on creating accessible PowerPoint and I thought that I had
been able to reorder objects/placeholder containers included from within
PowerPoint.

BTW, for some reason I wasn't notified when a response was posted to my
question and I had that option checked.

Am now going to explore the PPTools page - thanks again, I didn't know about
this.

Cheers, Karen

"Steve Rindsberg" wrote:

In article , Karen McCall
wrote:
I need to be able to make a slide more accessible for people using adaptive
technology. This means I often have to reorder objects/placeholders on a
slide so that someone using the keyboard can Tab to them in their logical
reading order.

I remember that you could do something like this when an audio file was
attached to a slide or there was a transition to it, but these slides have
none of those element and I can't figure out how to do this.

Visit http://www.pptools.com/ppt2html/

The free PPT2HTML demo add-in includes an accessibility assistant tool that
will help with this and more. No need to purchase anything, no obligation
other than keeping up the good work in making presentations more accessible.

And definitely read Glenna Shaw's Incredible Accessible Presentation article:
http://www.pptmagic.com/articles/accessppt.htm

BTW, I don't suppose there is any easy way to change an inaccessible text
box to an accessible placeholder without redoing/copying and pasting the
content?

What type of text boxes are these? Normal PPT ones? I'm surprised that
they're not accessible. Via screen reader, I assume? Does it just ignore text
boxes altogether? There've been some changes to the format and object model in
PPT ... what if you create the same content in text boxes in PPT 2003? Is the
text then accessible? Just trying to pin down the problem.

-----------------------------------------
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================

In article , Karen McCall wrote:
Thanks, the article was interesting with only one issue: text boxes are
inherently inaccessible whether used in Word or PowerPoint or Excel. Text in
text boxes or auto shapes is simply ignored by screen readers since screen
readers do not "recognize" these objects. It may be read while in slide show
view but not while you are reading the slides themselves or if an outline
from a presentaiton is provided as alternate format.

Annoying indeed. I don't have access to a screen reader unfortunately, so thanks
for providing this info.

I will; however, add more metadata to my presentations. I use a screen rader
and do workshops on creating accessible PowerPoint and I thought that I had
been able to reorder objects/placeholder containers included from within
PowerPoint.

You can, but it's quite tedious. There are the usual "layering" commands found in
most drawing programs ... Send to Front, Send to Back, Send Forward, Send Backward.
Where they hide depends on the version of PPT you're using.

BTW, for some reason I wasn't notified when a response was posted to my
question and I had that option checked.

Sigh. The web interface to the newsgroup. Yeah. A work in perpetual progress.
But towards what goal ....?

You can access it just like any other newsgroup, however:

The PowerPoint Newsgroup
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00275.htm

Am now going to explore the PPTools page - thanks again, I didn't know about
this.

Give me a shout if you have any questions about PPT2HTML ... steve at-sign pptools
dot com


Cheers, Karen

"Steve Rindsberg" wrote:

In article , Karen McCall
wrote:
I need to be able to make a slide more accessible for people using adaptive
technology. This means I often have to reorder objects/placeholders on a
slide so that someone using the keyboard can Tab to them in their logical
reading order.

I remember that you could do something like this when an audio file was
attached to a slide or there was a transition to it, but these slides have
none of those element and I can't figure out how to do this.

Visit http://www.pptools.com/ppt2html/

The free PPT2HTML demo add-in includes an accessibility assistant tool that
will help with this and more. No need to purchase anything, no obligation
other than keeping up the good work in making presentations more accessible.

And definitely read Glenna Shaw's Incredible Accessible Presentation article:
http://www.pptmagic.com/articles/accessppt.htm

BTW, I don't suppose there is any easy way to change an inaccessible text
box to an accessible placeholder without redoing/copying and pasting the
content?

What type of text boxes are these? Normal PPT ones? I'm surprised that
they're not accessible. Via screen reader, I assume? Does it just ignore text
boxes altogether? There've been some changes to the format and object model in
PPT ... what if you create the same content in text boxes in PPT 2003? Is the
text then accessible? Just trying to pin down the problem.

-----------------------------------------
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================





-----------------------------------------
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================
Live and in personable in the Help Center at PowerPoint Live
Sept 21-24, San Diego CA, USA
www.pptlive.com